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The Day After Christmas Open Thread

What’s going on today? I hope everyone had a good Christmas.

The Governor, along with Rubio, Gingrich, and Romney, said some nice things about Paul Ryan in this month’s Human Events:

Paul Ryan has shown needed leadership in addressing America’s crucial need for entitlement reform. I was an unapologetic early supporter of the Ryan Roadmap and still hold out hope that many of his ideas won’t get derailed by the Left’s ‘politics-as-usual’ antics."

The Alaska Pride blog pushes for R. Paul/Palin as the 2012 GOP ticket. If this happens, I think we can safely say that the Revolution has arrived.

This story explains how the Virginia GOP changed the rules for making the ballot in Virginia. I still don’t see how this explanation acquits Gingrich and Perry because both men should have been aware that their signatures would not have been checked had they submitted 15,000 signatures. It seems that both men had enough time to plan accordingly after the policy had been changed.

However, the good news for Newt is "[u]nlike other candidates who surged and then fell, the former congressman from Georgia has maintained his lead [nationally]." The bad news for Gingrich and the rest of the field as it’s currently constructed is that Barack Obama is gaining momentum against this field.

This is a new ad from the independent Palin "earthquake" group that will air in Des Moines. This group aired ads in Sioux City last week and plans to air an ad during the Tebow game next weekend.


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  • palin45potus

    Well, that’s interesting, because she’s been a big Ryan supporter.

    But seriously, do you think Paul Ryan has what it takes to go up against Obama, or any of the Demothugs?

    • patnatasha

      no they will eat him alive along with the other stupid people in his own party.

    • mark1955

      No! Ryan is part of the problem.He has been in politics his entire adult life.Meaning he literally has not worked in a private sector job as an adult.Also,he voted for everyone of President George W.Bush’s big government spending programs.

  • Betsey_Ross

    Not to worry about Obama’s ratings going up.  When it’s Christmas and he isn’t here everyone is so relieved that he can’t do any harm that they are willing to say he’s a good guy or something.  There is always the hope that some one in Hawaii will make the case that they need him there.  Most people(except us) are willing to give him a pass.  Also do not believe any polls right now.  The MSM is messing with your brain. 

    • susiepuma

      Yeah – he’s sucking up the troops again – wonder how many of them actually believe he cares one whit about them?

  • patnatasha

    Gary P. Jackson has written an article about sarah titled If they Build It (In Iowa) Will She Come? interesting read.

    • Italia1984

      Can you provide a link, please?

    • PressingOn

      Page down to see the picture of Sarah getting off of Air Force One.  It’s priceless!  That picture in itself could win the election.

      • sparrow17

        I can just see it happening!  What a picture!  What a message!  Sarah Palin 2013 getting off of Air Force One!

        • PressingOn

          Yep.  She’s ready to get to work and take off running…while her opponent is playing golf in Hawaii or relaxing in Martha’s Vineyard.

        • Ceejay

          Run Sarah Run!

        • susiepuma

          that pic is my wallpaper on my laptop……………………..

    • carmtom13

      Where can I find the article?

  • technopeasant

    A point I made on the earlier thread which I think bears repeating:

    It is much easier NOT to follow a retreating army and to instead declare or celebrate a battlefield victory, thus allowing the enemy to escape and to regain strength and to obtain resources and allow the enemy to mount a comeback.

    General Meade after Gettysburg exemplified this philosophy.

    And so does the GOP who I believe decided to rest on their laurels after the 2010 midterm election.

    Moral of the story: When you have your opponent down, you have to stomp on their throats and finish the job.

    In football, that is why the NE Patriots are so good. They are relentless in wanting to smash your will to get back in the game.

    • Gelston

      I think your points about what to do when you have your enemy down are excellent.
      Meade on the other hand was more right in his decision than wrong. Lee was a wounded animal. He could have pulled the North in for an ambush very easily. Most knowledgeable people think Meade did what he had to do and not what he wanted to do.
      Believe me, my family was at Gettysburg, there was no celebration after that battle.
      My family’s commanding officer court marshalled the men who did not fight hard enough. Two of the convicted soldiers were shot by a firing squad as an example to the remaining men to fight harder the next time.

      • technopeasant

        Thanks for correcting me Gelston. My goal was not diminish the accomplishments of some brave men but to illustrate it is much harder for a battlefield commander to order his fatigued troops without any rest to again go to war in the hope of completing destroying the enemy.

        The three problems that a commander faces:

        1) Dissension in the ranks because soldiers want to celebrate a victory or feel the battle has already been fought and won. Why do I have to risk my life after the enemy has been routed?

        2) Communicating to his troops the necessity of destroying the enemy and the decision to run down the enemy is sound military strategy.

        3) Media criticism that you are "piling on".

        And when it comes to the GOP, imagine if the party decided to mount an effort in Jan 2011 to leverage its midterm victory to take Obama down through a relentless pursuit of calling attention to Obama’s socialist tendencies and his counterproductive economic policies.

        Yes, I can understand why the GOP did not go this route, but it doesn’t make the strategy correct.

        • Gelston

          an excellent reply

    • sparrow17

      That’s right technopeasant.  If they smash your will, they have won.  Game On is the words we need to hear.  We the people are raring to get in this game.  They didn’t finish us off so we are up making alot of noise, problems, and making it as hard as we can on their plan to destroy America!

  • nkthgreek

    Paul/Palin? Don’t think so. She tried the VP route once and found it wanting.

    • Pete Petretich

      Not necessarily. A VP slot (or cabinet position) would put her significantly closer to the White House and she’s only 47 years old.

      • John B. Hefmier

        The Vice-Presidency is not worth a bucketful of piss
        John Nance Garner told that to LBJ, while the latter was Vice-President.

        • Gelston

          HEFMIER, watch your tongue.
          The expression is usually said as "bucket of warm spit." – however, you are correct!

          • John B. Hefmier

            I heard differently, from a History Channel show, if memory serves me right. That being said, I will do further research.  Sorry that you feel offended by the word, by the way.  I use that word quite openly, unlike some other 4-letter words.

      • colint

        She and her family will not move to DC just to be VP or in the cabinet. She will ENDURE being away from Alaska and living in DC in the WH as president to do what is needed. 

      • susiepuma

        no, no, no – why in the world would she paly 2nd fiddle again – especially to someone as dopey as Ron Paul?  Geeze – he’s older than McCain – will never be elected Pres………………

  • sparrow17

    On the Record tonight at 10 PM will air 10 years of OTR.  Going to the North Slope with Gov. Sarah Palin will be shown on this program.

    • susiepuma

      The lied – have been watching and it is now quarter to 9 & haven’t seen anything of Sarah yet – another Fox fix to get viewers.

      • sparrow17

        Yep…you are right.  I don’t know why that was on Fox News.

  • JeannieBinVA

    Krauthammer can be deliciously witty when he chooses to be.

    On Bret Baier’s panel this evening, he said that Newt had chosen the wrong year and event in comparing his VA ballot failure to Pearl Harbor. The more appropriate analogy — to reflect just how grandly important a historical personage Newt really is — would be 1066 and the Battle of Hastings, when Newt might have singlehandedly staved off the Norman invasion and changed the course of European history (and, it goes without saying, everything in Western civilization that followed). LOL

    • barracuda43

      Of course Krauthammer’s horse in the race is Mittens!

      • JeannieBinVA

        Well, that certainly misses the point. If you haven’t yet noticed the gargantuan, grandiose, and utterly unwarranted nature of Newt’s ego and conceit, I doubt you ever will.

        Krauthammer’s riff truly was hilarious (to be fair, my paraphrase didn’t do it justice). Here’s the clip:


  • sparrow17

    This ad is great!  This ad will coincide with the IA Primary bringing attention to the Reformer!  We need Sudden Relentless Reform!  We need Gov. Sarah Palin to run!  Vote Rogue IA!  Step up to the plate and put this race right out of the ballpark for America! 

    • Jack_Franklin

      Sparrow, they are great ads, and Ian thank you for posting them, as you faithfully feed us everyday! 

      How timely it has been for recent anti-corruption books (Throw Them All Out and Capitol Punishment) along with the likes of 60 Minutes and Newsweek to confirm what Gov Palin boldly stated on September 3rd, based upon her own experience in Alaska.  

      Here is the essence of the problem that Sarah Palin captures so well… quoting James Madison (Throw Them All Out, pg 155) in Federalist No 57: "I will add, as a fifth circumstance in the situation of the House of Representatives, restraining them from oppressive measures, that they can make no law which will not its full operation on themselves and their friends, as well as on the great mass of society. This has always been deemed one of the stongest bonds by which human policy can connect the rulers  and the people together. It creates between them that communion of interests and sympathy if sentiments, of which few governments have furnished examples, but without which every government degenerates into tyranny."

      Perhaps, the "bond" that Madison speaks of is one the reasons that we have such an affinity with Sarah Palin.  Leading by example, she expects everyone in her camp to follow the same rules the rest of us are expected to.

      Iowa Caucus 2012: Please write-in Sarah Palin.  Perhaps, more than at any other time, your vote can make a difference by sending a unified message to the entire country that We The People have had enough!

      • sparrow17

        You are so right about the essence of the problem that Sarah Palin captures so well by quoting James Madison (Throw Them All Out, pg 155) in Federalist No 57.  We need Reform!  We need our country totally Restored back to Constitutional Law!  Yes….. we must write-in Sarah Palin.  I concur…We The People have had enough!

  • misterlogic0013

    Thanks to everyone who put this together. Staying positive and behind Sarah Palin comes natural to me. We trust her, its about time America had a President we can trust. Sarah Palin can win on that alone. She said it in Indianola " I’m not for sale "  Sarah Palin is worth waiting for, because she represents everything that,s good in America. I truly hope she makes a late charge. America would be extremely happy..Thanks again

  • palin45potus

    If Tammy Bruce starts on the "Todd Palin’s Reality Show" thing tonight, I hope Eric Bolling calls her out on it.

    She needs to get over herself, because whatever Sarah’s reasons were for her Oct 5th announcement, keeping Tammy Bruce happy wasn’t one of the main things Sarah needed to think about.

    • Timothy Jacques

      If Tammy doesn’t get over it, she’ll go the way of Ziegler.  I’m just sayin.

      • barracuda43

        When your country is hanging by threads it can make you think a little differently would you not say?

  • Ceejay

    ericbolling ericbolling 
    Hosting The Factor Tonight. Do a guy a favor and tune in. And if you send an email to I will send Obama pos golf karma

    Email for Eric!

  • palin45potus

    Speaking of Sarah Palin and Fox News, wouldn’t you think they would want their #1 draw all over the TV screen this week and next, for ratings if nothing else?

    Or do they want everyone to forget how much she diminishes the rest of the field?

  • palin45potus

    Just in case you aren’t still mad, here’s a flashback, courtesy of Free Republic:

    Next for GOP leaders: Stopping Sarah Palin

    By MIKE ALLEN & JIM VANDEHEI | 10/31/10 8:31 PM EDT

    Top Republicans in Washington and in the national GOP establishment say the 2010 campaign highlighted an urgent task that they will begin in earnest as soon as the elections are over: Stop Sarah Palin.

    Interviews with advisers to the main 2012 presidential contenders and with other veteran Republican operatives make clear they see themselves on a common, if uncoordinated, mission of halting the momentum and credibility Palin gained with conservative activists by plunging so aggressively into this year’s midterm campaigns. (See: Sarah Palin wreaking havoc on campaign trail)

    There is rising expectation among GOP elites that Palin will probably run for president in 2012 and could win the Republican nomination, a prospect many of them regard as a disaster in waiting.

    Many of these establishment figures argue in not-for-attribution comments that Palin’s nomination would ensure President Barack Obama’s reelection, as the deficiencies that marked her 2008 debut as a vice presidential nominee — an intensely polarizing political style and often halting and superficial answers when pressed on policy — have shown little sign of abating in the past two years. (See: Palin speaks to electability issue)

    "There is a determined, focused establishment effort … to find a candidate we can coalesce around who can beat Sarah Palin," said one prominent and longtime Washington Republican. "We believe she could get the nomination, but Barack Obama would crush her."

    This sentiment was a nearly constant refrain in POLITICO interviews with top advisers to the candidates most frequently mentioned as running in 2012 and a diverse assortment of other top GOP officials.

    Nearly all of these interviewees insisted on keeping their views on background, fearing the wrath of conservative grass-roots activists who are enthralled with the former Alaska governor and who have made plain that the establishment’s disdain for Palin and her devotees is mutually reciprocated. (See: Palin personifies GOP divide)

    Top Republicans, from presidential hopefuls Mitt Romney and Tim Pawlenty to highly influential advisers such as Karl Rove and Ed Gillespie, are said to be concerned she will run, and could win, according to the officials. 

    (Click the link for the rest of the story)

    Comment: Listen to Steve Bannon, I linked his speech from a month ago on the open thread.

    Vote Rogue.

    • palin45potus

      As this supports my earlier post from today so much,

      Here is how I remember 2010 playing out in terms of blocking Sarah.  Notice that I never even get into the treachery regarding Tucson.

      What were the "Sweet Nothings" that were whispered to the GOP Stalking Horses that protected Romney from having to face Sarah in a one-on-one contest for the nomination?  Mark America says that there was no secret conspiracy involving them all, but we must take the GOP leaders who leaked to Mike Allen of Politico that destroying her was job #1 after the mid-terms last fall.

      First off, she had a meeting in Naples FL where she met with Newsmax execs, Michael Reagan, and supposedly to big-dollar folks of the GOP.  This meeting seems to be the point where her relationship with the party and Fox News started to sour.  I believe that some type of offer was made, one that she alluded to in Iowa on Sept 3rd.

      Number one, Mike Huckabee.  He’d run before, and could expect the Iowa Conservative base to like him once again.

      Number two, Donald Trump.  Shamelessly flirting with Sean Hannity for hour upon hour, he stole some of the thunder in early spring.

      Number three, Michele Bachmann.  After Huck dropped out, the emphasis on her being "More Smarter" was floated by her henchman, Ed Rollins, as well as hired hack Dick Morris.  All to deflate Sarah’s numbers by at least stealing some of Sarah’s natural base among conservative women.  Play upon her obvious envy at Sarah’s standing as the "Mama Grizzly" leading the TEA Party, and flatter that self-image of Bachmann’s.

      Number Four, Rick Perry.  Tempt Rick and his wife Anita with promises of unlimited money and established networks.  Have George W Bush encourage them to take his shot at it.

      Number Five, Herman Cain.  Play on his supposedly sterling outsider status, and present the GOP with the possibility of fielding their own Black candidate to neutralize Obama’s advantage there.

      Number Six, Chris Christie.  Fly him out to meet Nancy Regan and the Bush Family, to give him the appearance of an anointing by the Big Conservative Icons.

      So there was always a way to bleed Sarah’s numbers in the polls, and feed the "Unelectable" theme.So when she had the GOP move the primaries up as they did, there was no point in going forward at that time in the traditional manner.  

      By stepping aside, and laying low, she has allowed the existing field to be fully exposed to the vetting they had been protected from as long as she was a possibility.

      Now, the GOP’s numbers against Obama look very daunting.  If they’d played it straight from the end of the 2010 mid-terms, Sarah Palin would be the odds-on GOP nominee right no, I believe.

      But they were always "In the Bag" for Mitt (Jeb)

  • nkthgreek

    Bolling just asked if there could be a dark horse candidate. Naw, she’ll come riding in on a white steed.

  • nkthgreek

    He just brought up Sarah. 

    • palmerguy

      And Cameron couldn’t even say her name.

  • Georgia Sisney

    January 3rd writing-in Sarah Palin in the Iowa state caucus gives us a
    one-shot chance to send to the White House a true commonsense conservative who
    shares our values and vision for America, a proven reformer with a solid record
    of serving the interest of the people, who respects and abides by the
    Constitution. It is better to take a once-in-a-lifetime chance for "sudden
    and relentless reform" than settle for the status quo.  Let’s DRAFT SARAH PALIN

    • carmtom13

      Great post. I agree with you.

  • blueniner

    That scallywag Rich Lowery wrote a piece for National Review Online " We dont Have Our A Game on the Ground" So who does he tout?  Bobby Jindahl. Man this guy still doesnt get it. If any of you are registered on National Review, go to this column and comment, shove it back in this morons face.

    • excopconservative

      I replied


      : 12/26/11 20:46

      The problem with the 2012 field is that none of the candidates
      played any leadership roles in the 2010 landslide victory. The leaders
      in 2010 were Sarah Palin and Jim DeMint. We had momentum and then the
      establishment took the victory lap for which they deserved little
      credit. Those bearing the torches now don’t have any idea where they
      are going. Defeating Obama is only step one. Actually it’s step two.
      Step one happened in 2010 when we took the House and closed on the
      Senate. In 2012 we have to take the Senate and the White House. Step
      three is actually doing what is required to stop digging the hole
      deeper. None of our candidates want to stop digging with the possible
      exception of Ron Paul who has other issues. Many of you won’t want to
      hear this, but our best bet to defeat Obama is Sarah Palin. You don’t
      want to hear it because it will take courage to defend her. She is not
      establishment. Yes, she has not polled well vs. Obama to this point.
      Reagan didn’t poll well until the last few weeks. The reason was that
      it took that long to overcome the media and democrat lies. When you
      stack up Gov. Palin’s positions and values and personal integrity up
      against Obama’s positions, values, and integrity people will see the
      If 2012 is to be won, the election needs to be against Washington DC,
      the country vs. the ruling class. Gov. Palin is a star of the
      Republican Party without being a member of the ruling elite, much like
      Reagan was a star with nearly 100% name identification. Party leaders
      need to drag her, kicking and screaming if necessary, into the race if
      they really want to win it.

    • carmtom13

      He, along with the DC establishment want Mitt. They don’t want Sarah because she will take on both parties and is not 4 sale. Sarah has already taken on the establishment, the cbc in her own state and won. That is why they don’t want her to get in the race because they know she will win and they will be out in the cold. It would serve them right.

  • Mrl Tav

     Palin as Ron Paul’s VP. Give me a f—-g break. That’s an insult of the highest order.

    • palin45potus

      Mister L,

      I am dying for your take on recent events!

      • carmtom13

        Me too!

  • blueniner

    Heres Tammy……..

    • John B. Hefmier

      I just came in the door and immediately turned on the TV and saw Tammy on the screen (was aware the Eric would be hosting, unaware that Tammy would be on).  I am not certain what to think of her anymore, especially after her insulting tweet to Ian, a few days ago. 

      • Ceejay

        Was not aware that Tammy was on also, but watched to see what she would be saying.

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