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  • BrianusBerkleianus

    My Dear Friends in Sarah,

    A Happy and Blessed Sunday and a Happy Veterans Day to you all!!! Honor and thanks are due in particular to all of our veterans here at C4P: God Bless You!!!

    In honor of this day, I am reposting here the following piece from last year because it deals with one of the finest veterans ever to serve our nation, Vice Admiral James Stockdale, USN, Medal of Honor recipient, and a Lion of Bravery and Freedom.

    I ask your indulgence for a few words in the post that are no longer relevant, since the race for POTUS 2012 is now over.

    God bless you all always!!

    DEO VOLENTE, SARAH 2016!!!!



    My Dear Friends in Sarah,

    Happy Tuesday to you all! It is good to be back with you.

    I would like to share with you a few brief reflections that were inspired in me while I was away when I started to read again a book by the late James Stockdale, Vice Admiral of the United States Navy. The book is entitled "In Love and War," and was written with his wife, Sybil.


    Who was James Stockdale? Does anyone remember his name today?

    He was simply one of the finest men ever to wear the uniform of an officer of The United States Navy. A Navy flier, Jim was shot down and was captured by the North Vietnamese in 1965, and spent many years in captivity. During this time, his wife never ceased to labor for his release. Jim did eventually come home, after enduring many sufferings for his country in prison. He was the leader of those who refused to give aid and comfort and information to the enemy, even at the cost of great personal suffering to himself.

    Jim was awarded, among many other decorations, the Congressional Medal of Honor, which, of course, is the highest military honor in our land.

    In 1992 he ran as Ross Perot’s Vice-Presidential candidate, during Mr. Perot’s independent run for the Presidency.

    What a majestic tribute to courage, character, and patriotism is the Congressional Medal of Honor!! Before I return briefly to Admiral Stockdale, I would like to share with you all how I first learned about this magnificent award.

    When I was very young, perhaps five years old, my father impressed on me forever, with a few simple words, what the Congressional Medal of Honor means and signifies. My late dad, who was a veteran of the USS Hornet, and was the son of an Annapolis man and admiral, my grandfather, told me that a Medal of Honor recipient must receive the first salute, no matter what his/her rank is, and no matter what the rank is of the other person.

    Wow, did this make a deep and everlasting impression on a young lad!!

    Of course, according to military protocol, the lower rank salutes the higher rank; the higher rank then returns the salute.

    Not so in the case of an MOH recipient. Even if the other person is an officer, even a general or admiral, he or she must give the first salute!!

    If the Medal of Honor recipient is a "mere" enlisted man, say a sergeant, a four-star, flag officer must salute him/her first (unless the four-star also holds the Medal)!!

    And, guys, I think we may extend the observations in this place beyond the specifics of military honor and procedure and protocol to general observations about the importance of ceremony and tradition and usage in any society.

    These "little" things mean so much for the continuity and coherence of any society!! I remember how impressed I was when I first learned, for example, the protocols for the respectful treatment of the American flag. It was impressed on me that it was quasi-sacrilegious for a flag to be allowed even to touch the ground!! Imagine how I felt a few years later when I witnessed in my hometown of Berkeley, California the filthy desecration of US flags by anti-US radicals.

    People should stick to their traditions, unless these traditions are manifestly harmful or bad!!

    Now, Admiral Stockdale did not shine in his VP debate against Republican Dan Quayle and Democrat Al Gore in 1992. However, there were mitigating circumstances. Ross Perot, who originally made the Admiral his provisional choice for VP, left then reentered the race. Stockdale was left in place as VP candidate, and had little time to prepare for the three-cornered debate. Despite this situation, the savage Left used the occasion to mock and ridicule an American icon and hero.

    Personally, I remember a Stanford professor at the time who knew the Admiral. This little man called the MOH recipient "simple." He said that he meant "simple" in both a good sense ("simple," "upright") and in a bad sense ("simpleton"). My thought at the time was and still is that one hundred of this professor, who shall remain nameless, could not equal one Jim Stockdale.

    Now, just as most of the country is, I suspect, unaware of or has forgotten the Admiral’s service to and sacrifices for America, so I think that many Americans are not cognizant of all that our Sarah has wrought and won for Alaska and for all of the nation! Wide circulation of the film "The Undefeated" could go a long way to ameliorating this doleful lack and lacuna.

    Like Stockdale, Sarah was scorned and slandered by people who possess not in their entire craven and cowardly frames the guts, the spirit, the fortitude, the moxie, the heart that the Governor owns in the tip of her little finger!!

    JIM STOCKDALE is gone now (he went to his eternal reward in 2005: RIP).

    SARAH PALIN is still very much with us, thanks be to God!

    Let us salute both of them, by defending and vindicating the honor of two unsuccessful VP candidates who were, IMHO, more worthy to be PRESIDENT than all of the men who have occupied the lofty office since the time of President Ronald Reagan.

    Vice Admiral James Stockdale, USN, will never be our Vice-President, much less our POTUS.

    Sarah, however, Sarah, if the Heavenly Father is willing, will be our President someday.

    While giving all respect to Sarah’s decision as of this moment, we are still quite free to beg the Lord that she may be our Chief Executive someday…maybe even as early as next year (i.e., January, 2013!).

    SARAH 2012, DEO VOLENTE!!!!–God willing!!

    I still have some heavy work to do, but I shall see you again in a few days.

    God bless you all always!!



    • chuckjr

      Like Stockdale, Sarah was scorned and slandered by people who
      possess not in their entire craven and cowardly frames the guts, the
      spirit, the fortitude, the moxie, the heart that the Governor owns in
      the tip of her little finger!!


      I needed to hear that today. I just allowed myself to delve into some of the horrid comments about Sarah that people were making on a new pro-Sarah, FB page this morning. I know it’s absolutely mindless hatred and I shouldn’t let it get to me, but sometimes it does.

      Your post about what Stockdale and Sarah went through while they were running for VP, and what Sarah still goes through today was a great reminder that the small-minded people who continue to attack couldn’t hold a candle to either one of them.

      So thanks, Brian. And a very sincere, Happy Veteran’s Day to all of those who serve!


      • CharterOakie

        Chuck – the small-minded haters are unworthy of the service of patriots such as Adm. Stockdale and your sister.

      • BrianusBerkleianus

        You are most welcome, Chuck!!

        The hatred that they pour out against your heroic sister is a measure and mark of the degree of FEAR that they have that she will be PRESIDENT someday soon and will clean up the mess in our country!!

        God bless, and Happy Veterans Day!!


    • CharterOakie

      Ave frater fidelis eloquensque.

      SarahAmerica!  Sarah invicta semper!!

      • BrianusBerkleianus

        Gratias tibi ago, frater fidelis!!!

  • ZH100

    Good morning all.

    Excellent article about Gov.Palin’s record of accomplishments.

    ‘Who Is the Real Sarah Palin?’

    From the article:

    Executive Authority and Success

    Palin was the first female and youngest governor to be elected in Alaska, which is tied for the second most powerful governorship in the United States, according to Thad Beyle, a political scientist at the University of North Carolina.

    Budgeting and Spending

    Palin cut state spending between 2007 and 2010 by 9.5% while also reducing federal earmark requests by more than 80% during her tenure. She used her line-item veto to cut more than a quarter billion in superfluous spending in both 2007 and 2008. In 2009, she instituted a temporary hiring freeze, while at the same time reducing spending by more than 33% between FY2009 and FY2010.

    In stark contrast to President Obama and other governors whose fiscal records are dogged by credit downgrades, Palin left Alaska with an improved credit rating during and following her tenure as governor.  Standard & Poor’s raised Alaska’s credit rating from AA to AA+ in April 2008. Then in 2010, both Moody’s and Standard & Poor’s upgraded Alaska to AAA for the first time in the state’s history due to policies enacted by Palin that made the state’s finances more than solvent.  


    Under Palin’s leadership, Alaska was 2nd in job growth, and 3rd in the change in its unemployment rate, compared to the other states. Alaska also saw a record number of oil jobs in both 2008 and 2009, while natural resource and logging jobs increased 13.7% during Palin’s tenure.

    In fact, Palin’s record on jobs compared to the country as a whole was stronger than the President’s and other prominent governors’ during their respective tenures

    Business Growth

    Alaska was an opportunity society under Palin. Alaska moved up from the 4th most business tax-friendly state to the 3rd most business tax-friendly state during her tenure.

    Palin was a firm believer in tax cuts. In addition to lowering unemployment insurance tax rates, she cut business license fees in half, suspended the state motor fuel tax, and signed legislation, allowing Alaska-based businesses the same opportunities as out-of-state businesses. All of this was consistent with her record as Mayor of Wasilla, where she eliminated small business inventory taxes and cut property tax mill levies every year she was in office.


    Energy issues are Palin’s forte, and her record proves it. In 2007, Governor Palin signed ACES—Alaska’s Clear and Equitable Share—a net tax on oil profits that was passed in a bipartisan and transparent manner. ACES replaced the corruption-tainted oil tax plan of the previous administration, which was passed in secret and ultimately lead to the federal indictment of several Alaskan state officials and oil company personnel. Furthermore, ACES provided oil companies with incentives to develop. The progressivity of the tax meant producers were protected when oil prices were low, but the interest of the resource owners—the people of Alaska—were appropriately protected as well to achieve a fair return for their resource.

    Most importantly, ACES led to jobs, increased development, and a huge surplus for Alaska.

    Perhaps Palin’s biggest energy achievement was spearheading the creation of the Alaska natural gas pipeline. After five decades of unsuccessful attempts by Alaskan administrations to bring a gas pipeline project into existence, Palin and her team introduced the Alaska Gasline Inducement Act (AGIA) in March 2007. AGIA passed the Legislature by a vote of 57-1 in May of that year.

    Unlike the behind-closed-doors cronyism of past administrations, Palin’s AGIA legislation was conducted out in the open and made use of a genuine free-market competitive bidding process. Palin’s AGIA placed not only Alaska, but also the nation, further on the path toward energy independence.

    Palin played hardball with the big oil companies in her state. According to the Alaska state constitution, Alaskans are the resource owners in their state; and it was Palin’s duty as their CEO to get the best deal for Alaskans while at the same time partnering with these oil companies for the mutual benefit of all.

    Ethics Reform and Transparency

    Ethics reform was the hallmark of Palin’s governorship. She was swept into office on a reform message in a state with a serious corruption problem. Alaska at the time was undergoing a federal investigation that culminated in the indictment of various corrupt lawmakers. Palin had made a name for herself as an ethics crusader when she chaired the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservative Commission and blew the whistle on fellow commissioner and state GOP head Randy Ruedrich for doing party business on state time. This resulted in Ruedrich receiving a $12,000 fine—the largest civil fine for ethics in the state’s history. Alaskans respected the fact that Palin was not afraid of taking on the establishment of her own party.

    As governor, Palin fought for and signed sweeping bipartisan ethics legislation, which restricted lobbyists, improved disclosure laws, and improved executive and legislative branch ethics laws. In the face of corruption, she continued to take on her own party when it was necessary. She also increased transparency by releasing her oil tax bill to her constituents 17 days prior to the special legislative session, opening up natural gas pipeline deals to all potential parties, putting the state checkbook online, and not allowing lobbyists in her office.


    Palin forward funded education to allow districts greater flexibility, supported increased vocational training and early education funding, opened up opportunity to Alaskan students to participate in regional medical schools, and increased overall funding for special needs education by 175% (before she herself became the mother of son with special needs). Believing that the best reform was close to home, Palin wisely also chose to monitor rather than participate in national standards for education.

    Health Care

    Palin introduced health care transparency legislation that established an Alaska health care information office to give consumers factual information on quality and cost to help them make better-informed health care decisions. Recognizing that health care must be market-and business-driven, rather than restricted by government, Palin proposed repeal of Certificate of Need—a layer of bureaucracy that prevents medical facility development. She established the Alaska Health Strategies Planning Council, reduced Medicaid assessments by 83%, and expanded Alaska’s SeniorCare benefits program for low-income seniors.

    • BrianusBerkleianus

      Wonderful; thanks, ZH, and Happy Veterans Day and Sunday to you!!

      • ZH100

        You are welcome, Brianus and Happy Veterans Day and Sunday to you too!

    • ZH100

       ‘Setting the Record Straight – Sarah Palin and Sex Education’

      From the article:

      "NPR got it wrong back in 2008. As did the The Washington Post, MSNBC, ABC News and  The Wallstreet Journal .Unfortunately, many feminists have followed the misinformation of the mainstream media."

  • Emerson_C

    It seems to me that there is now a very elementary case against Jeb Bush and/or Rubio.  They were not able to carry Florida for Romney.  And correct me if I am wrong, for the first time ever, a GOP candidate failed to carry a majority of the Cuban community in that state.  Tell me again why anyone in the GOP is taking either of these bozos seriously?

    • n4cerinc

      You’re right. This is also the first time ever that both members of the ticket couldn’t carry their states. The failure is bigger than these bozos. The entire GOP machine is a joke. 

    • Min Max

      Money, my friend. That’s why the GOP takes them seriously. Any case you make will fail simply because you assume reason where non exists.

      Jeb will be crowned because he’s Mr. Electable. Sounds familiar?


    Veteran’s Day……will be spending it with my own two "Veterans", watching my Bears hopefully kicking the snot out of Texas.

    Funny to think of a 26yr old and a 23yr old as veterans. *sigh*

    • BrianusBerkleianus

      God bless your family for their service, TENCOLE!!

      Happy Veterans Day!

  • ZH100

    ‘The Sarah Palin Factor Revisited’ ( May 2012)

    From the article:

    "Throughout the summer huge crowds followed the messiah around and sang his hosannas. When McCain spoke people came but the crowds were dull and the energy low but not when Sarah showed up. Wherever she went the atmosphere came alive.  Her crowds matched the messiahs in both numbers and enthusiasm. He was the aloof and untouchable media darling, she was a gun toting firebrand that knew what real work was.

    The fact is before she entered the campaign McCain was an underdog of underdogs. Carrying an 800 pound gorilla called Bush on his back and facing a Democratic candidate with unparalleled enthusiasm from the party faithful the race seemed lost before it began. After Sarah joined the team his polls rose and even put him ahead. Never in the history of politics had a VP pick been such a game changer. Never in modern history had on candidates choice for VP been so reviled by the opposing party and the press alike.

    A partial explanation of the mad dog response to Sarah Palin may be found in Obama’s total lack of qualifications. The fact that he was so under qualified and totally lacking in experience meant that his supporters had to keep the spotlight off of him. Add to that the enthusiasm for Sarah meant she was the main threat, not McCain. The natural strategy then was to make her the center of debate as a smoke screen to hide their candidate behind. The media would make sure that Obama’s lack of foreign policy experience was not the issue but Palin’s was. The Democrats and their Media cohorts would collaborate to make the race about the VP pick of the opposing party thus avoid the spotlight being shown on their candidates losing record and radical past. His gaffs would be hidden behind hers (whether real or hyped as such). They would concentrate nearly exclusively on her to protect him. This of course explains some of the media Palin bashing craze but not all.

    Everywhere in the press she was decried as a nobody, a lightweight and dumb. That she didn’t have the resume to be president was the tagline they were selling.  A woman that had risen from soccer mom, to mayor, to chairing the Alaska Oil and Conservation Commission to being the youngest and one of the most successful governors in Alaskan history was a lightweight and dumb? A person with a resume that made the Democratic presidential candidate look like a hayseed farmer in comparison wasn’t experienced enough? The fact was her resume was thick and her accomplishments were many.

    Her main sin it seemed was having charisma and a following that seemed to be on the precipice of toppling the Democratic messiah. If Sarah had one weakness it was the fact she had no experience with the snake pit that was national politics, something she would soon find rectified.

    The fact is the only reason the 2008 campaign was even a race at all is because Palin was on the ticket."

    • ZH100

      Whom Do You Believe? HBO or Gallup?

      From the article:

      "Despite the premise of "Game Change" – that Sarah Palin cost John McCain the 2008 presidential election – Gallup polls prove HBO’s assertion categorically false. Palin wasn’t the reason the Republicans lost the election.

      She’s the only reason they had a fighting chance up until the time McCain suspended his presidential campaign in late September.

      Some were intrigued as to how McCain’s decision would play out in the polls, but once he suspended his campaign in late September he never recaptured the lead he enjoyed with the breaking news of recruiting Palin.

      It was downhill from there."

      • ZH100

        Eric Schnurer

        From the article:

        "I believed Sarah Palin a brilliant choice for McCain at the time, and I continue to believe so. When the economy (and McCain campaign) collapsed, the McCain-Palin ticket was ahead and just about every Democratic consultant I knew believed they were headed to victory – and that was largely because of Palin, whose selection galvanized a base that McCain needed and otherwise lacked."

        • ZH100

          Chris Saxman: Cold Fusion-Game Change Edition

          From the article:

          "In my opinion, Sarah Palin is the most genuine politician I have ever met. For all that was circling around Gov. Palin at the time (the time on which Game Change is based), she was as calm and serene as you could ever imagine."

        • Audrey_I

          Selecting Sarah Palin to be his running mate, was the only correct thing McCain did during the Presidential campaign. 

    • Min Max

      What was it, 30000+ emails, and not 1 speck of dirt. Instead, they found tons of evidence of a hardworking, dedicated, prudent, good public servant. Yet for many, they simply couldn’t put aside their prejudices and recognise what a gem they have.

      America, America! What have you done…!!!!

  • Jthom26837

     On behalf of all of My fellow Palinistas across the fruited plain, I raise a glass to salute all of our Vets in great service defending this great nation. We will forever be in debt to your service. CHEERS!!!

  • ZH100

    ‘Next for GOP leaders: Stopping Sarah Palin’ (2010)

    From the article:

    "Top Republicans in Washington and in the national GOP establishment say the 2010 campaign highlighted an urgent task that they will begin in earnest as soon as the elections are over: Stop Sarah Palin.

    Interviews with advisers to the main 2012 presidential contenders and with other veteran Republican operatives make clear they see themselves on a common, if uncoordinated, mission of halting the momentum and credibility Palin gained with conservative activists by plunging so aggressively into this year’s midterm campaigns."

    • BrianusBerkleianus

      Thanks, ZH!!

      If the Good Lord has elected and chosen her to be our President someday (we hope and pray for 2016, with inauguration in January, 2017)–if the Lord has said "YES" to her Presidency, then a million Establishment voices, a million Establishment plots and devices, and tens of millions of Establishment dollars will not be able to stop her.

      Lefties and RINOs, you may think you are "gods"; you are not.

      You cannot fight against the All-Highest and win!!

      • cnswpassion

         AMEN !!!

  • ZH100

    Some great reads.

    Governor Palin’s Consistent Fight against Corruption and Crony Capitalism.

    From the article:

    "Citizen candidates do indeed bring a fresh perspective to a campaign and even to public office.

    However, there is something to be said for someone who took on corruption while in elected office.

    Such an individual has governed or legislated in an atmosphere of corruption, back room deals, and cronyism and has not only weathered such an atmosphere, but has effected change for the better.

    It is one thing to act as a citizen watchdog; it is another to make sure that legislation and projects are transparent and are void of back room deals and crony capitalism. Governor Palin is such a person.

    • ZH100

      ‘Some of Sarah Palin’s Ideas Cross the Political Divide’

      From the article:

      "But something curious happened when Ms. Palin strode onto the stage last weekend at a Tea Party event in Indianola, Iowa. Along with her familiar and predictable swipes at President Barack Obama and the “far left,” she delivered a devastating indictment of the entire U.S. political establishment — left, right and center — and pointed toward a way of transcending the presently unbridgeable political divide."

  • wodiej

    "Now the Lord is the spirit and where the spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty."  2 Corinthians 3:17

    Dear Heavenly Father, help us to look ahead and stay on the
    path that you need us to walk on to accomplish the purpose you have for us.
     I ask this in your name, Amen.

    • BrianusBerkleianus

      Thank you, wodiej!

      • wodiej

        yw Brian

  • wodiej

    Today is Veteran’s Day.  God bless all those who have served.  My Dad was in the Korean War on the front lines. 

    • BrianusBerkleianus

      Happy Veterans Day, wodiej, and God bless your dad for his service!!

      • wodiej

        thank you.

    • Leroy Whitby

      Heh. My Dad, who was NOT a tattoo sort of fellow, had a tat from serving during Korea. He was not, praise God, on the front lines of that brutal war.

  • Elwanda Burrell

    If the GOP snubs Sarah Palin in 2016 like they did in 2012 and don’t give her a chance to run for President, if she wants to……10 million conservatives will stay home in 2016!!!

    • BrianusBerkleianus

      Amen, Elwanda!!

      And we have to weed out the Bushes :-) !!

      Happy Veterans Day!!

      • Elwanda Burrell

        We need to stay out of the Bushes!!!

    • Min Max

      Heh. I’d rather the GOP elites stay home and 65m conservatives come out to elect Sarah.

      • Elwanda Burrell

        Min Max, I agree with you…..electing Sarah would be wonderful!!!

  • StandProudNow

    What do we think Gov. Palin’s political actions will be in the future?? 
    Please take my fast survey.  Chuck Jr took the survey, (Thanks Chuck!) hope you will too :)

    I’d be really interested as how we stand in this community of Palin supporters!!

    I’ll publish the results for all to see later this evening.

  • Pete Petretich

    Sarah’s path to 2016 has been surprisingly cleared out, don’t you think?

    Petraeus discredited.

    Chrispy Creme permanently tarred and feathered.

    Wasn’t there somebody else that was dragged down in the last week?

    The GOPe will still try to block her, but if she is drafted then they will not be able to stop her…

    P.S. Rubio is strong for now but he is a junior achiever and he couldn’t take Florida for the R&R ticket.

    P.P.S. Rove is discredited, and Condi’s talk about Big Tents sounds very 1992.

    • technopeasant

      Yes, but there are still hurdles to jump over, mine fields to navigate around and pitfalls to avoid.

  • Pete Petretich

    Pribus out at RNC?

    • Leroy Whitby

      Is this a news flash or a suggestion? I found Preibus more palatable than Michael Steele, but looking at results, Steele outperformed Preibus.

      • Pete Petretich

        Good point! Somebody should write this up, with numbers.

        For instance, how much cash money did Pribus throw down a rat hole?

        Dollar for dollar, who was more effective: Steele or Priebus?

  • Pete Petretich

    Dr. Randy Reudrich is no longer the Alaska GOP Chairman.

    In 2012 he would have blocked Sarah, and engineered a Romney primary victory in Alaska, if she HAD tried to run. That won’t happen in 2016.

    True, Dr. Randy is still listed on the GOP Alaska website but he was voted out earlier this year:

    • Elwanda Burrell

       All the Sarah Palin haters need to move on out of the way!!!

  • Leroy Whitby

    Hello All. Good morning and Happy Veteran’s Day. Those of us who aren’t military and don’t have loved ones serving still have a battle for freedom here in the United States under Obama/Reid/Boehner. The establishment GOP has been a pale pastel so long they have imprinted that shade on the country, rather than a bold Red, White and Blue. But there are many Americans, likely a majority when we unwind the lies and the fraud, that have kept the faith, have continued to believe in inalienable rights, and still retain the American spirit.

    I believe that perhaps for the first time in our nations history our battle as citizens is more important to our survival as a free nation than the battles to be fought by our men at arms. So take your time, money, and role seriously and fight. We fight for those in the armed services as well.

    A good step would be to ensure that the members of our military are allowed to vote.

    • BrianusBerkleianus

      Happy Veterans Day, Leroy!

    • cnswpassion

      I believe we need a leader for the cause of freedom.  The only person that has been faithful in this cause is Sarah Palin.  She shall be our leader. Thanks for remembering our military. The moral of the military is very low. It would take a whole book to explain it all.

  • technopeasant

    Reposted from yesterday’s open thread:



    A summary of my thoughts on the results of the election:

    1) On one hand I feel like patting myself on the back for my prediction of a narrow Obama victory and a repeat of 2004 where the incumbent narrowly won the popular vote (under 3%) but again I have to admit Obama’s 332 EV-206 EV margin was much wider than I expected. I had always presumed Romney would win Florida and either Virginia or Ohio which would have taken him to roughly 250 EV. (I predicted 259 EV). And the shock only got worse in the wake of so many right-wing pundits and poitical analysts predicting a runaway Romney win of over 300 EV.

    2) So at least I got 1/2 of the equation right, Since Romney clinched the nomination in summer 2012, I have always been concerned that he never exceeded 50% in head to head polls against Obama. And in the general election, I noticed as the election unfolded that Obama’s overall approval average at RCP started to move up to the high 40’s from the mid 40’s and that with Rasmussen Obama was been consistently won the approval of 49%-50% of likely voters. Yes, the thought did go through my mind that the polls were rigged but I also know pollsters towards the end of the election cycle have their own "come to Jesus moment" where their reputations are on the line and know they must really try to get it right. And as it turns out the greater majority did. For example on election day Rasmussen had Obama’s overall approval at 50%. His percentage of the vote currently sits at 50.5%.

    3) Can we finally bury the notion once and for all that 80% of the undecideds within 72 hours of the election move to the challenger? I have not seen any evidence of that in 2008 or 2012.

    4) As many of you know before the general election (a period I suspended my criticism of Romney) I conjectured the possibility of Mitt Romney’s candidacy could produce a repeat of the low turnout of 2008 where millions of white conservatives simply vanished. That the topic never or seldom arose for discussion in the MSM, Fox News, right-wing blogosphere in the 60 day window led me to believe two things and to confirm my worst fears: The Left was engaging in subterfuge to hide the truth of what they believed our turnout would be and the Right, namely Romney, his team and the GOP establishment were engaged in hubris in being in complete denial of the possibility. Bunker mentality.

    5) But I never figured on the double-whammy where Obama would also lose 9 million votes (currently 7.5m) as well as Romney receiving fewer votes than McCain (currently 1.3m). As I have always stated, polls reveal a lot but they CANNOT with any degree of accuracy tell you who is going to show up and vote. And we are now told Romney was shocked by the results. From that news, I can surmise even the candidates themselves haven’t got a good handle on turnout whatever political or turnout models they choose to employ. Did anyone except the most ardent Leftist predict a D +6 election, given 2010 was even-Steven: D 36 R 36 I 28? And folks Rasmussen and Gallip polls in between 2010 and 2012 clearly indicated this same dynamic in the partisan divide.

    Bottom line: if the 2012 electorate had been even-Steven in the 35, 35, 29 range Obama’s popular vote of 50.5% would have been reduced by about 2.8% to 47.7% while Romney’s popular vote of 47.9% would have moved up 2.8% to 50.7%, a complete reversal of fortune.

    Never in my wildest imagination did I predict D +6 and that the Republicans in 2012 would not do better than 32%, matching the result in 2008.

    6) And in the wake of Obama losing 7.5m voters from his haul in 2008 the question must be asked: How the hell did Obama manage to still generate enough turnout of his base to generate D +6? And the answer my friends imho lie with 2 key groups: Former Obama voters and white conservatives. I know we haven’t got all the demographic data yet but I suspect a majority of former Obama voters, now disenchanted with the Messiah, sat out the election because Romney was not able to attract them to his tent because of his lack of political and personal appeal and we already know from Rush Limbaugh and others about the millions of white conservatives/Repubicans who did not show up either to vote, which in the political vernacular means Romney failed to turn out his base.

    But the key to understanding the above phenomenon is Obama did defeat McCain by approximately 9.5m votes in 2008 so he had many votes to play with. Losing 7.5m votes still would have put Obama ahead of Romney assuming the latter just held serve and matched McCain’s numbers from 2008. But then you factor in Romney winning 1.35m votes less than McCain (currently) the net loss in votes for Obama becomes only 6.15m.

    To say that I am stunned that Romney (even though I have always considered him a mediocre candidate) has apparently gotten fewer votes than McCain in this political climate against a president presiding over such a poor economy, who invoked such outrage from so many Americans on Benghazi and was apparently hated by so many people is not an exaggeration.

    7) In the last 24-48 hours, much has been made of the deficiences in Romney’s organization or his ORCA turnout model and plan to maximize the GOP presidential vote with the goal I believe to shift the blame for the defeat to the flaws of modern technology or corrupt staffers than ascribing the blame to Romney and his team for not saying the right things or doing the right thing during the election, in terms of hardcore political philosophy/ideology and political strategy.

    I will not do that. Yes, politics has tended to become more dehumanized and impersonal due to advances in modern techniques and technology, but I believe there is no substitute for cogent political speeches, superior performance in debates, one on one contact with voters (the personal touch) and the communication of distinct vision tied at the hip with political principle and conviction.

    Imho, Romney was deficient in 3 of the 4 areas and better than advertised in the debates. All along I thought of Mitt Romney as a victim of The Peter Principle. I think I have been proven right. Even so, The Peter Principle only provides an explanation for Romney’s incompetence or inadequacy to run a successful presidential campaign, but it does NOT excuse or mitigate the results of that incompetence or inadequacy. Mitt Romney and his team deserve the full blame for this result. A football team does NOT blame the fans when they fail to perform on the field.

    8) So what does this tell us about the selection process of bringing about the GOP standardbearer every four years?

    First that it is severely flawed in the sense that in 1996, 2008 and 2012 it brought to the forefront candidates who simply did not pass muster but even more importantly conservatives on a regular basis have voted for flawed moderate canidsates to represent our side who were clearly overmatched against more qualified, charismatic Demcratic presidential candidates (Clinton, Obama).

    So I am NOT absolving conservatives for allowing 1996, 2008 and 2012 to be losing political seasons. Again conservatives in the Republican Party represent at a minimum 2/3 of the party and liberals/moderates at most only 1/3 of it (Galliup consistently shows the breakdown at 72% conservative and 27% liberal/moderate). The fact is no moderate candidate could ever have won the GOP nomination in these three cycles without enough conservatives sacrificing their conservative principles and values or even more worrisome is the fact that many of these conservatives unwittingly did so due to being manipulated by the GOP establishment, right-wing media/pundits and the MSM and behaved like sheep being led to the slaughter as they voted for wolves in sheep’s clothing, faux conservatives.

    In other words it would be easy for me to lash out at our enemies and blame them for all our political misfortune and misery but as an iconoclast I believe in intellectual honesty so i refuse to do so. Enough conservatives voted for Dole, McCain and Romney to make them viable candidates.

    Don’t you think it’s about time we turned off the water and money tap and tell these candidates "to go to hell?"

    And be like Ken a recent caller to Rush Limbaugh’s program and vow, "I’m never going to vote for a moderate again."

    9) But how do we collectively bring this about? By conservatives looking at themselves in the mirror and realize they are the problem but also the solution. And then by vowing to reject COLONIAL MENTALITY and by deciding to throw off the political chains of political inferiority that our masters have imprisoned us for lo these many years we will be off to a good start. Simply we need to tell our masters, "We are no longer children that need your supervision; we are now adults; we don’t need you any longer to make our decisions for us. And we will no longer obey you when you tell us to vote for "the chosen candidate" in the primaries. Instead we conservatives vow to only vote for conservative candidates in the future. Period."

    10) But ultimately nothing will change for conservatives unless in addition to throwing off the shackles of COLONIAL MENTALITY they decide to unite in esprit de corps fashion, which includes bring together libertarians and evangelicals to forge a political unity or accommodation on social issues and then deciding to get behind the best conservative candidate in the primaries who best advances the notion of the three-legged stool. I have already recommended a conservative convention separate from the GOP convention to bring the latter about.

    No longer can conservatives permit our votes to be frittered away or divvied up among two or three "conservative" candidates (stalking-horses if you will) so that a moderate can come up the middle like Romney did in 2012.

    But in closing I am fully aware of the hold, authority and power our masters have over us and their ability to keep COLONIAL MENTALITY firmly in place so they can continue to shape and manipulate our political thoughts and decisions through right-wing propaganda, the big lie and fear and smear tactics to convince conservatives they must vote for the establishment choice. 2008 and 2012 clearly demonstrate the immense power of the establishment playbook to do so once it is dusted off every four years.

    The question we must all as conservatives ask ourselves, "Are we going to remain suckers thinking the "house" doesn’t have all the odds in its favor (gambling parlance) or are we going to admit the house has all the power under how the game is now being played and that for conservatives to break away from their chains and become free men and women they must throw off political inferiority once and for all and change the rules of the game permanently so the "house" does not constantly win?"

    And the fear the "house" has is that Sarah Palin will lead this revolt and that it would not be able to prevent her from changing the lay of the land, with the "house" gradually and consistently losing more and more power to effect political outcomes.

    • Right_Wingnut

      3) Can we finally bury the notion once and for all that 80% of the undecideds within 72 hours of the election move to the challenger? I have not seen any evidence of that in 2008 or 2012

      That statistic was made up, and repeated over and over by Dick Morris. That, alone, should been enough to bury is a long time ago.

    • cnswpassion

       I have a question?  Are not many Republican state primaries open to people that are not registered republicans?  I have never voted for a moderate in a Republican primary.  Buy the time the primary came to my state the decision had already been made.  I will never understand why the republicans allow non republicans to make our decisions.

      • technopeasant

        Many conservative independents also vote in GOP primaries so I am also including them as well. They comprise 35% of all independents via the latest polls.

        But I focus more "conservative Republicans" because of their 2 to 1 superiority in numbers over libs/moderates in the party because of their importance.

        It’s all numbers. Without conservative Republicans voting for moderates like Romney in the primaries, we would not be in the predicament we are in right now.

    • lanahi

       Part of the problem were the number of open primaries where Democrats were allowed to pick our candidate.

  • wodiej

    Whisper of God

    "God doesn’t make the bad things happen; rather, bad things happen to try to separate us from God. Financial hardship, sickness, death of a loved one… all have within them the possibility of separating us from God. It is important to stay strong in your faith especially when your faith is being tested." Elmer Laydon

  • technopeasant


    Sarah Palin will be 52 when she is inaugurated on Jan 20, 2017. (birthday Feb 11, 1964)

    Abraham Lincoln was 52 when he was inaugurated on March 4, 1861 (birthday Feb 12, 1809)

    For those of you who don’t know they changed the inauguration date from March 4 to Jan 20 before the 1936 election.

    According to Wiki it was done because during the Great Depression, the American people could not afford to wait 4 months between the election and when the winner took office.

  • technopeasant

    For those of you who are worried about the Palin appeal, although I have not seen hard data on this, pieces have been written to how Obama did a great job of suppressing the white working class vote and convinced it to sit home rather than to march down to their local polling station to vote for Romney.

    Could Sarah Palin do any worse than Romney in reining in these voters? I doubt it.

    I know she didn’t in 2010:

    In 2008 McCain won the white working class vote by 18 points; in 2010 it was GOP by 30 points.

    Imagine a maximum turnout of the white working class and Palin beats the Dem candidate by 30 points. Palin could not lose the election.

    Imagine the Dems swallowing the canary when thinking about Mitt Romney.

    "After we get through with him, those yokels are going to view him worse than Bernie Madoff."

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