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  • qtdb7

    Sarah Palin in 2016 Presidential Race is no laughing matter
    By: Kevin Fobbs

    http://www.examiner.com/article/sarah-palin-2016-presidential-race-is-no-laughing-matter

    • HuntingMoose

      Thanks for the link!

      The only disagreement I have is the comment that grassroots are in the farmlands. There are many people in big cities as well that are very unhappy on what is going on, they may be a local minority but still it is a very large number of people

    • n4cerinc

      What an excellent article! This should have its own thread. Palin = Reagan. 
      Romney < Reagan. 

    • raiderlou

      The problem is the party is split in two. Not only the politicians but the public as well. Conservatives and Moderates, and neither one can win on their own. Romney did not lose because he was a moderate, as I do not think a true conservative could have won either. Someone needs to find a way to unite the conservatives and the moderates, or the party is not going to last. Each sub group of the republican party is not inspired by the other. Sarah is a true conservative and she won’t compromise that so I don’t see her bringing in the moderates.

      • John_Frank

        What is a "true conservative?"

        What is a "moderate?"

        The fight between various factions within the Republican party has been going on since Taft and Roosevelt.

        What I do know is that Sarah Palin has called herself a common sense constitutional conservative; and to suggest that Sarah Palin can not bring together all of the factions within the party is nonsense.

  • ZH100

    Long before "public spending" became a topic of national debate Gov. Palin has fought to reduce spending and to enforce fiscal discipline as governor of Alaska.

    Gov. Palin has fought to reduce spending and to enforce fiscal discipline as governor of Alaska.

    Gov.Palin has drastically reduced the growth of the state budget, which has helped to produce a record budget surplus.
    Alaska had its bond rating raised to AAA for the first time in the state’s history, largely due to fiscal improvements brought about by Sarah Palin while she was governor.

    Some links with information about Gov.Palin’s (impressive) fiscal record.
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    ‘Palin’s Jobs Record Beats All Others in the GOP Field’

    From the article:

    "In terms of bringing down state unemployment rates versus the national average, Palin leads all other governors and former governors in the GOP field"

    http://pa4palin.blogspot.nl/2011/07/palins-jobs-record-beats-all-others-in.html
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    ‘Governor Palin–Leading the Fight on Debt and Liabilities ; comparing and contrasting the records of Governors Palin, Perry, Pawlenty, Romney, and Huntsman in dealing with state debt and liabilities’

    http://blogontheprairie.blogspot.com/2011/08/governor-palin-leading-fight-on-debt.html
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    Sarah Palin: A Record of Fiscal Conservatism (Part 1)

    From the article:

    "Sarah Palin served as Mayor/City Manager of Wasilla, Alaska from October 14, 1996 to October 14, 2002. As such, Palin was responsible for preparing, submitting, and executing the City’s annual budget for fiscal years 1997 through 2003. During this seven-year period, the City’s General Fund averaged an annual surplus of roughly $2.5 million, as illustrated in the chart below. Palin inherited a surplus of just $350,000 from her predecessor John Stein (fiscal year 1996). By 2003 she had grown the surplus to almost $3 million, with a 22.4% increase in revenue and a 15.6% reduction in spending."
    http://pa4palin.blogspot.com/2011/06/sarah-palin-record-of-fiscal.html
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    Sarah Palin: A Record of Fiscal Conservatism (Part 2)

    From the article:

    "Sarah Palin served as Governor of the State of Alaska from December 4, 2006 to July 26, 2009. As such, Palin exercised authority over the State’s annual budget for fiscal years 2008, 2009, and 2010. At the end of fiscal year 2007, Gov. Frank Murkowski, Palin’s immediate predecessor (whom she defeated in the 2006 Republican gubernatorial primary), left the State’s General Fund with a balance of roughly $7.6 billion. During the three fiscal years for which Gov. Palin oversaw the budget, the General Fund averaged an annual surplus of more than $2.6 billion, resulting in a total increase of $7.9 billion ? more than 100% ? over the fiscal year 2007 balance."
    http://pa4palin.blogspot.com/2011/06/sarah-palin-record-of-fiscal_08.html
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    Sarah Palin: A Record of Fiscal Conservatism (Part 3)

    From the article:

    "Requests for federal earmarks declined dramatically in each of the fiscal years for which Sarah Palin exercised budgetary authority for the State of Alaska. In FY2007, Gov. Frank Murkowski requested $350 million in federal appropriations, which Gov. Palin reduced to $256 million in FY2008, $198 million in FY2009, and $69 million in FY2010. Overall, Palin cut earmark requests by more than 80% during her tenure as Governor."
    http://pa4palin.blogspot.com/2011/06/sarah-palin-record-of-fiscal_523.html
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    ‘Governor Palin on the Issues: Monetary Policy’

    From the article:

    "Governor Palin stands firmly against the actions of the federal government in policies which simultaneously devalue our dollar, drive up our debt and leave us dependent on foreign sources of energy. She also stands against the actions of the Fed which inflate prices at a time when Americans are already on tight budgets and do nothing to aid employment."

    http://conservatives4palin.com/2010/11/governor-palin-on-the-issues-monetary-policy.html
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    Another credit rating agency, Standard and Poor’s upgraded Alaska’s credit rating to its highest possible rating of AAA. The agency gives several reasons why it felt confident enough in Alaska’s fiscal climate to make such an upgrade. A few of these reasons are due directly to the policies implemented by Governor Palin.

    http://palin4america.com/2012/01/alaska-has-three-as-its-name-and-now-so-does-its-credit-rating/
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    Paul Gigot: Governor Palin “Leading the Pack” on Monetary Policy  (November ,2010)

    From the article:

    "In a Wall Street Journal editorial  the editors noted the degree of sophistication Governor Palin is bringing to the table as she attempts to focus the nation’s attention on the disastrous repercussions which must result from a further inflating of the currency.

    Specifically, she referred to QE2, the Fed’s plan to pump another $600 billion to as much as $1 trillion into the economy via the purchase of U.S. government securities. Paul Gigot, editor of the Wall Street Journal editorial page, discusses the editorial and Governor Palin in the video."

    http://online.wsj.com/video/opinion-journal-palin-vs-bernanke/6A8B3973-6069-464E-B48B-4D4564C96DE5.html

    http://conservatives4palin.com/2010/11/paul-gigot-governor-palin-leading-the-pack-on-monetary-policy.html
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    Palin v. Bernanke.
    Her Warning To the Fed Chairman Puts Her Out in Front on the Debate on the Dollar

    From the article:

    "One of the questions in respect of 2012 is how it has happened that the only major Republican figure, aside from Congressman Ron Paul, to stand up and be counted on the dollar is Sarah Palin."

    http://www.nysun.com/editorials/palin-v-bernanke/87128/

  • ZH100

    ‘Exclusive: Klenman on Sarah Palin and the Republican Establishment’

    From the article:

    "After reading about Sarah Palin’s much better election night, as compared to the Republican Establishment™ in general, and Karl Rove in particular [her 75% success to Rove's 1%] and the Palin inspired grass roots organization, American Grizzlies United’s equally impressive 66% endorsement success, Norman offered up some interesting thoughts:

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        This article advertently or inadvertently exposes the essential instinctive wisdom of Sarah Palin. Had Romney won, her advice to the party and to independent conservative voters and supporters would have been continuous, welcome, but low key. Sarah Palin speaking as a wise friend, a good pol with important ideas that would naturally be ignored by the Republicans in Power and by Congress. 

         But she stayed out of the fray this year for good reasons, her own, most kept to herself. But she watched, waited, and was a non-disruptive supporter on the side. 

          Now that the Republican house of cards has collapsed, leaving one monster vacancy of leadership in the great yawking maw in the middle of American politics, the field is open to her on her own terms… IF she wishes to re-enter the fray. 

          She did what most pols don’t do. Pols to get elected to use the old shibboleth of “playing to the middle“. That is, abandoning their obviously debatable but essential original programs and ideas, the positions that must be sold to the nation. 

         Sarah Palin never abandoned her views. She said Here they are, take ‘em or leave em. The Republicans including many who ought to have known better, backed away, and often were rude (as was the otherwise admirable Noonan) in doing so. As to the Republican establishment, they had no beliefs, and no real social program (their economic program was fine).

          So now we shall see if Sarah Palin on her own chooses to return front and center for 2016 which is now wide open. No incumbent in the Dems. Mrs Clinton far too old and old fashioned. Not a real conservative with a program and some damn charisma anywhere in sight.

          Enter Sarah Palin. Free now to tour the nation, gather supporters and funds, and to sell a new direction for her vast constituencies and a new program to break the restraining bounds of the old two party system. A program for the re-invigoration of America. A program to reframe and reform Congress.

         They will be interesting times ahead for American voters.

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    Norman nails it at the end. The message of reform is a winner. As Stacy Drake points out here, voters in every single demographic, and in both political parties, as well as independents, not only have no faith in government, they see it as corrupt and in need of serious reform. They particularly want an end to crony capitalism, something Sarah Palin has been railing against for years, the Obama regime is up to their eye balls in, and the Romney campaign never really talked about. Cronyism is so prevalent in politics, neither party wants to talk about it, for obvious reasons.

    If she chooses to run, Sarah Palin has a winning message, one she’s been perfecting since her earliest days as a member of the Wasilla city council, when she tangled with Nick Carney over an ordinance that would have given his waste management company a city wide monopoly.

    Sarah Palin’s real world record of constantly and consistently fighting corruption, even within her own party, is one that will win people over, especially after four more years of Obama’s massive corruption, and the GOP essentially doing nothing about it.

    People will want a serious change, and Sarah Palin represents that change."

    http://thespeechatimeforchoosing.wordpress.com/2012/11/20/exclusive-klenman-on-sarah-palin-and-the-republican-establishment/

  • http://www.facebook.com/IsabelM.Matos Isabel Matos

    Good morning, Choir! (lOl!!!) True, we are all preaching to one another and WE ARE the choir.

    Now for some activism.  I have been going around circulating this article I wrote which has struck a nerve. We have shared thoughts about a third party here, so I know where you all stand for the most part. I did gather from the responses I received last night that we have GOP issues that need to be addressed, never mind liberal ones. There is general discontent and a lot of people have tuned out because of the 2012 loss, but there are many misguided and misinformed GOP voters.

    Some groups have been formed because they are angry at the GOP, but have not yet pinpointed the problem and are still in LaLa Land where Romney and the Bushes are concerned.  For me this year was never about WHO we voted for President, but about the GOP v. US. scenario which has proven itself to be true over time. This is how I introduced the article (feel free to share it!):

    I will entertain your thoughts on this.. Third parties in the past didn’t work because people were NOT aware of the progressive liberal agenda that was already permeating both parties. Times HAVE changed. People know that both parties are failing, especially the Republican party. Our side has more intellectual honesty in calling out our leaders. THe Dems not so much (that hasn’t changed).

    WE CAN’T afford another 4 years of the GOP. Sarah PALIN is about REFORM so she would necessarily be the one to lead the party; otherwise, it would not be worth the trouble, just so you know where I stand.  We have given the GOP its’ last hoorah. They have FAILED MISERABLY. How much more must we take?

    I’m sick of trying to change the Party. We have to leverage ourselves and make the party come to us. THey’re not caring about us or changing any time soon. It will take time for great reform, but we’re kind of running out of time. I say, let’s just DO IT! How are we supposed to beat a powerful establishment that refuses to even acknowledge us? It’s insane to keep on expecting them to change. They haven’t and they won’t. http://thespeechatimeforchoosing.wordpress.com/2012/11/26/im-in-for-a-new-third-party-to-heck-with-the-bushes-gop/

    • RomanBarbarian

      Isabel, I so much appreciate your work in raising awareness about this issue. I am totally ignorant about rules and laws about how to move to start a third party. But I am all for this effort and I will join any move that will be taken.
      We don’t know what Sarah is thinking or planning for her future. But the reaction Chuck Jr. had right after Obama was reelected, posting Sarah 2016, gave me all the encouragement I needed to believe this country is still alive.
      I am  with you. There is no more time to listen to any smart talking head. This is time to do something. Thank you for what you are doing.

      • GeraldGoff

        it might be easier to take over and refocus one of the many existing ’3rd’ parties rather than starting one from scratch?

        • RomanBarbarian

          Gerald, like Isabel says, times are different and we can’t compare past results with what we need now. I think that the methodology has to be different too.
          But we are here to discuss this. Let’s do it.

          • korn8131

            You are so right Barbarian. This party has to be something completely different than anything in the past. It has to be done without any politician stepping in front of it to make personal gains. The politician who will be picked to represent this party, and its supporter, will be picked on our terms. What is of most importance picking this person, is they have to be a proven CONSTITUTIONAL CONSEVATIVE! Sarah Palin and Mark Levin, among other would whole heartily back this. Now for the hard part, how do a small group of unknowns  make this happen???

            • RomanBarbarian

              WE AGREE 1000%, korn!!! Every single exact word!!! I still believe in redemption and I would consider politicians who may have started on the true conservative path and then stranded thinking that the GOP was still good. But I would not tolerate any other backstabbing by them. No third chances.
              Let’s work to find an answer to your last question!!

              • korn8131

                You’re right my friend, Redemption would be and should be part of this. I was a manager in a machine tool company for about 23 of the 38yrs of employment.  Early on when dealing with hiring new employees,  I discovered that you needed to put a job description right in front of them before they walked through the door. That’s what has to happen here. No more of a politician telling us what they perceive their job description should be after they are hired.

            • http://www.facebook.com/IsabelM.Matos Isabel Matos

              Okay, this idea of a New Third Party is a tailor-made thought for someone like Sarah Palin, and no one else, including discontent voters. 

              We already have a leaderless movement called the Tea Party, and I’m not interested in pursuing anything until and UNLESS Sarah Palin chooses to do so.

              I just wanted to show what the reaction to a Third Party is, with her, and only her at the helm in view of the fact that the Bushes will not let go of their power or change the message of the party. 

              They will certainly not relinquish that power to a People’s Candidate or politician they have disdain for.

            • GeraldGoff

              Any candidate that gets picked still needs to be able to win the general election.

              • korn8131

                I agree with ya Goff, but that out come is an unknown now. However, if nothing is tried, then there can be nothing gained.

    • korn8131

      Isabel, what a great piece. This is what has to take place. If I may add, the name of this party has to distinguish its difference between the other two parties. That is the key here. By calling it a CONSTITUTIONAL Conservative Party it tells people up front what this party support. They would know our beloved constitution and the bill of rights, is the foundation of this party, unlike the other two.  The other good reason it needs to be called by this name is that the word conservative is used loosely by both parties and is done to confuse folks. Other then that my friend you are spot on. God Bless.

      • http://www.facebook.com/IsabelM.Matos Isabel Matos

        Korn, thanks!

        The name of the party does not matter to me.  Whatever Sarah Palin does, becomes great. 

        What matters is the platform:  Reform, Cleaning up Corruption, Revitalizing the Economy, American greatness, Restoration of Conservative Principles and Honor to America. 

        It has to be a message that draws disconcents from both sides.. Only Sarah has a message that crosses party lines as Stacy Drake has pointed out. 

        Thanks again.  God bless you, too!

        • juju341

          I have a question for all of you that are thinking …3rd party.  Would you want to do this type of major work if Sarah decides or has already decided she does not want to be considered as a candidate?   If your answer is YES…then you need a major method of collecting signatures and lots of money to do another party that can be affective WITHOUT a candidate.   If your answer is NO…then you need to find out where Sarah stands before you get carried away…you would be putting the cart before the horse if Sarah has no interest in 3rd party or even running.

          • http://www.facebook.com/IsabelM.Matos Isabel Matos

            Thanks for the question, because it allows me to make clear where I stand (again).  IF and only IF Sarah decides to do this, I’m in.

            The purpose of this exercise is to put the idea out there to see what kind of feedback the idea gets, including reactions to Sarah Palin being its leader. She HAS mentioned it in the past, like so many other things.

            I will never take matters into my own hands. That would be insane.

            • korn8131

              Isabel; These are Sarah’s words. What Sarah has insinuated all along, is that she would step forward if she knew there was over whelming support for her to do this? She is smart enough and has no interest in making something like this happen on her own. She is aware of what happen with third parties of the past. They failed because it  wasn’t a movement by the people for the people. The so-called third party movements were started by  politicians who wanted to get elected on his terms. And that my friend is the difference. Here is some food for thought and take time to understand what Sarah is telling us. It helps support the point I’m trying to get across to you and others.
              "I would seriously consider whatever I can do to help our country” and again  "Anything in this life, in this world is possible. Anything is possible for an American. I don’t discount any idea or plan that, at this point, isn’t in my control. Anything’s possible,” she said.
               
              http://www.alan.com/2012/03/06/palin-talking-2016-i-would-seriously-consider/

    • palin45potus

      There has never been a 3rd party run led by the most popular leader of a group of disenfranchised Americans before, with 4 years to plan it, a surprisingly sophisticated network already in place, and the 2 parties as unpopular as they have ever been.

      The closest parallel is 1976, when the GOP forced Ford on us, and Jimmy Carter emerged from the train wreck as the Dem leader.

      Ronald Reagan was the eventual winner but it took time for Americans to overcome the bias.  If Palin decides to run, and goes the 3rd party route, it would bypass many of the institutional roadblocks that the party puts in place precisely to control the outcome.  How else can it be explained that the GOP nominee is always without fail the one favored by the RNC?  And furthermore, only a Bush can count on them to not sabotage them down the stretch.

      I do know this:  A 3rd party will never work if it’s not tried

      • korn8131

        A great point 45. If I may add, I can’t take anymore of this attitude, that the GOP will change. They haven’t, and they will not!! They have just proven at the Republican National Covention that, they have no interested any type of a makeover that involves constitutional conservatism. The party is incapable of a makeover. Even if they were, they are so tarnished that most folks would think of it as a fugazi. Why some folks refuse to acknowledge this, when it’s right in front of there eyes, to me  is mind boggling.  Case in point again, was the shunting of Sarah and the tea party at the Republican National Covention not enough proof they are not interested in changing. And last but not least, early as last week, Jeb Bush name was put out by their political hacks. Now that’s a good sign that it’s ready for real change? Enough said!

        • Patriot41

           Don’t forget the Ron Paul followers as well Korn.  Libertarians were supporting a GOP candidate in the form of Paul.  Had the GOP not did everything in it’s power to shut out that group, things might have been a lot different come election time.  You had a disenfranchied  combination of conservatives, the grassroots Tea Party movement, Christians and libertarians, that were all shut out by the establishment GOP leaders.

          The radicals in the democrat party, made a very similar move toward the blue collar conservatives, Christians and independents in their party.  Both political parties shut out voters who did not toe the party line.  Then they wonder why the voter turnouts are so low?

          We need a third party movement, that encompasses all of these decent, god loving people who want representative government and not party rule.  I can’t think of a better time to start putting that party together.  Sarah is connected with both the Tea Party and the conservative movements and is well respected by both of these groups.  She is a good Christian woman and I believe would be welcome to lead in that area as well, by most Christians.  With a change in her foreign policy attitude which is along the neocon lines, she could also bring in Libertarian support as well.  With a little tolerance and an emphasis on the Constitution as the platform for such a party, I believe that both of the other parties could be defeated. 

          • korn8131

            Patriot; Your point is well taken. I never gave it a thought. However, we are thinking the same. Here is a little of the discussion Freempg, and I are having that falls in line with your point.Freempg; Maybe it would be little better for you if you knew more about me and where I’m coming from. I’m 72yrs old and have voted in thirteen presidential elections. Of those thirteen’ I only vote Republican four times. The 2nd term for Reagan (yes I’m a Reagan conservative Democrat, and most folks don’t understand that we aged Democrats have conservative value also). I voted again for George Bush Sr. Because I thought, he would follow along the path that Reagan had set in place. I was wrong about it of course. I voted again Republican in 2008 only because of Sarah. And finally, I voted this latest time for a Republican because I had no other choice. By the way, this election is my last time voting for a Republican or Democrat.    Now with this said, you have to understand there are millions of us Democrats (this, by the way, isn’t reported in the lame stream media because we both know why) and conservative Republicans that are dissatisfied with their party. Why is this? The answer is simple, both parties have been hijacked by social progressive and RINOs. If you are a Reagan Democrat or a true Republican constitutional conservative and there are millions of us. The question now is how to accomplish uniting the two factions? The simple answer, in my humble opinion, is to have an independent third party?  That’s where I’m coming from, and I hope this clears up my position.

            • Patriot41

               I of course agree with you Korn on a third party movement.  I am in my 70′s as well and have seen a lot of changes in the political world just as you have and not for the better, I might add.  Living in the South, I can attest to the fact that there are still a lot of conservative democrats living here, that are just as discouraged with their party as the conservatives republicans are with their party.  I am speaking primarily for the seniors, as I don’t have that much interactions with the younger people these days, primarily because I don’t understand their values, if indeed they have any at all.

              There has never been a true conservative movement during my lifetime that I know of.  Conservative leaders have always preached that we need to elect more conservatives and take over our party.  I have never seen that happen since JFK led the dems and Reagan led the GOP and they both were the exception to the rule for both parties and for a very short period of time.  There are only a hand full of politicians that have run as Independents for the presidency and none of them had taken the time to build a movement outside of their own party.  Because of that, they were never able to build a consensus large enough to win.

              I can remember about ten years ago, when several different groups tried to build a third party movement between conservatives, but they were not very yielding or tolerant of others who were less stringent about social issues.  One could best describe them as being puritanical and a little too critical of others.  Obviously, they could not build a consensus between them and their attempts failed.  Had they put together a party platform based on our Constitution and one with Christian values as a guide, I do believe that they would have been able to offer an alternative  to all who were disgruntled with the two existing socialists political parties.

              Yes, you and I know that there are still millions of good conservative citizens across this country, that are hoping for political change, but not the hope and change that Obama calls for.  The majority who voted for Obama, were much younger and never experienced living in the time in which we grew up and when the U.S. was truly a great Christian nation, that led the world.  The Obama supporters, are the generations that came up under a socialists education system and were brainwashed to believe, that the govt., owes them a living.  Those that support the GOP establishment, can be counted among them.

              As a result, we have millions of disenfranchised citizens who accept neither of the political parties because of the mentality of the party leaders.  The voters are sick and tired of party first, nation second.  Because of the political battle for power between the two parties, the nation suffers, along with it’s political ideology.  In the process, this country is quickly becoming a socialist nation and it may already be too late to salvage it.

              There has been a strong grassroots movement across this nation since 2008, consisting of many different groups of a conservative nature.  Even without organized leadership, they definitely made a positive step in the right direction, to slow down the progressives as you call them.  Had they had a well organized leadership, I do believe there would have been more acceptable candidates and very possibly, a different outcome then we got in 2012.  Their efforts  now need to be concentrated on bringing all of these different conservative groups together under a central leadership.  That is a difficult tasks, but the stakes are very high now and with some tolerance and understanding of what is at stake, I believe that it could be done with a well run third party movement.

              • korn8131

                Thanks much for the reply Patriot. An excellent post, you summed it up quite well. I’m glad that we are about the same age and have seen the good, bad and the ugly. I love Clint Eastwood. One thing for sure, we’re at the ugly stage at the moment. I hope and pray that we see this turned around before we bite the dust  Thanks again for your input.

          • lanahi

            He also wrote off the 47%, of which 61% are WORKING poor and 22% seniors on Medicare, most of the rest unemployed or students.   The majority of the elderly historically vote Republican.  He said they’d all vote for Obama anyway, which shows how terribly out of touch he is and not even interested enough to take a look at who they are. 
            Those working poor are natural constituents for Sarah. 
            Romney didn’t even have any natural constituents that he didn’t diss.

          • lanahi

            Her foreign policy doesn’t sound "neocon" to me.  She feels we shouldn’t involve ourselves unless we have a national interest in doing so, and then if we DO have wars, we should get in and win them as quickly as possible, not take years to try to nation build.

            Here is her 5-point foreign policy, in her words:
            "First, we should only commit our forces when clear and vital American interests are at stake. Period.

            Second, if we have to fight, we fight to win. To do that, we use overwhelming force. We only send our troops into war with the objective to defeat the enemy as quickly as possible. We do not stretch out our military with open-ended and ill-defined missions. Nation building is a nice idea in theory, but it is not the main purpose of our armed forces. We use our military to win wars.

            And third, we must have clearly defined goals and objectives before sending troops into harm’s way. If you can’t explain the mission to the American people clearly and concisely, then our sons and daughters should not be sent into battle. Period.

            Fourth, American soldiers must never be put under foreign command. We will fight side by side with our allies, but American soldiers must remain under the care and the command of American officers.

            Fifth, sending in our armed forces should be the last resort. We don’t go looking for dragons to slay. However, we will encourage the forces of freedom around the world who are sincerely fighting for the empowerment of the individual. When it makes sense, when it’s appropriate, we will provide them with material support to help them win their own freedom.

            We are not indifferent to the cause of human rights or the desire for freedom. We are always on the side of both. But we can’t fight every war. We can’t undo every injustice around the world. But with strength and clarity in those five points, we’ll make for a safer, more prosperous, more peaceful world because as the U.S. leads by example, as we support freedom across the globe, we’re going to prove that free and healthy countries don’t wage war on other free and healthy countries. The stronger we are, the stronger and more peaceful the world will be under our example."
            http://www.redstate.com/dhorowitz3/2011/05/04/the-palin-foreign-policy-doctrine/

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AZO2ARDEL5SAXKWXEWUQEGCDRE Marc

      That’s an outstanding article but I have a question.  Why settle on being a third party when this country needs a viable SECOND party?  The GOP has checkmated itself.  It has no interest in either providing an opposition to the Democrats or even communicating what it stands for.  Contrast the clarity of Ronald Reagan’s remarks at the 1984 Conservative Political Action Conference Dinner that Chuck Heath Jr recently referenced. http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archives/speeches/1984/30284g.htm

      Third party efforts appear to be self-fulfilling in their meekness.  A new party has a great opportunity to carry itself with the strength of belief of a major political coalition that belongs.  Yes, today’s fourth estate is a fifth column and there will also be power hungry usurpers who will try to undermine a new effort but without confidence in conviction nothing else matters.  That’s the message I see in this essay. Thank you, Isabel for writing it (and thanks to Gary for posting it on his site)!

    • dave7777

      We need a leader to rally around. (I have a suggestion). Ross Perot (squirrel that he is) got 20% of the vote. While it is great to build the movement from the ground up, (tea party, O4Palin) it also is imperitive to address the top. Right now there is a ground movement in Egypt against the power grab by Morsi. It has no leader. It is doomed, even if it represents over 50% of the people. Our conservative movement is also doomed without a leader.
      We are fortunate in that we do have an undeclared, reluctant leader to rally around. As I have previously mentioned, I plan on opening a mobile Palin 2012 HQ in Georgia next summer and will continue it until I hear from Palin that it is definitely a no-go. In my mind I have a leader.

  • ZH100

    ‘The Quisling Consultants’

    From the article:

    "Steve Schmidt, Mike Murphy, and the political consultant-big government complex.

    There he is walking the "red carpet" at Washington and New York movie openings. Buddying with a movie star at the glitzy black tie White House Correspondents Dinner. Giving this interview to 60 Minutes, analyzing that event for the Atlantic or commentating on something else for NBC’s Meet the Press or MSNBC. In the case of the latter, according to the Times, MSNBC "installed a remote camera in his sprawling rustic home" to make sure he can commentate right from his wilderness base.

    Last, but most importantly not least, is his day job. A job that in elite circles carries the always impressive title of "Vice Chairman, Public Affairs" with responsibilities that include being a "senior strategic counselor" on a "global basis."

    Then there’s someone else.

    Here we have a media guy beloved by the liberal media. He writes for Time and, like the man above, is periodically summoned to the set of NBC’s Meet the Press to analyze events of the day. In his day job he has advised a string of moderate GOP candidates with names like Mitt Romney, John McCain, and Bob Dole. As well as belonging to firms whose lobbying clients include everyone from National Public Radio (where, coincidentally, he does occasional commentary as well) to all manner of health insurance, pharmaceutical, agricultural, electronics and development companies. Not to mention that he is branching out as a fledgling Hollywood producer.

    So what’s new? What’s the big deal here with these two guys, Schmidt and Murphy? (The latter of whom I met years ago and certainly liked).

    The big deal is that when Steve Schmidt and Mike Murphy sit down on the sets of liberal television shows and bash Rush Limbaugh and what Schmidt calls "the conservative entertainment complex" — meaning talk radio and Fox News — they wind up sharply illustrating the GOP’s real problem.

    To the point: Rush Limbaugh isn’t the problem with losing presidential campaigns. Au contraire. He is the Ronald Reagan of radio.

    The real problem is people like Schmidt and Murphy. The real problem is the fact they and so many GOP others make their well-paid livings catering to exactly what the "conservative entertainment complex" spends all of its time fighting: the "political consultant-big government complex.

    Schmidt and Murphy are the political Quislings of conservatism."

    http://spectator.org/archives/2012/11/29/the-quisling-consultants/

  • Laddie_Blah_Blah

    A Hispanic conservative lambasts the RNC.  For reasons similar to hers, I also refused to contribute to the RNC this past cycle, giving, instead, to individual candidates of my own choosing:

    http://www.irishexaminerusa.com/mt/2012/11/27/time_to_boycott_the_rnc.html

    "The Republicans have many outstanding people of color to reach out and convey the history and principles of the GOP in their communities. Unfortunately these individuals do not rank high in the upper echelons of the RNC and that is why throwing money at it to continue the cluelessness is a waste.

    ‘The GOP needs people like Alfonzo Rachel of PJMedia’s Zonation to speak for the party. Watch his YouTube videos where he demonstrates that he knows more about the history of the party than the RNC which refuses to get back to its basics. He equates how the Democrats rationalized slavery and is now equating abortion with it by not considering blacks or fetuses to be human.

    ‘ET Williams of Common Sense Nation also has posted many illuminating videos on YouTube which I doubt the establishment GOP has ever watched.

    ‘For heaven’s sake, in Lincoln’s time, the GOP had brave radicals fighting against slavery. They were fighting a Democratic Party which founded the KKK yet most blacks and Hispanics believe that it is the party of civil rights and the GOP is against them.

    ‘Why have the Republicans allowed this utter canard on its record to exist?

    ‘So until the RNC stands for the Radical National Committee and starts correcting the history of its origin and long battle for civil rights, I won’t be sending them a single penny again."

    Romney reportedly paid $10 mn smackeroos to his chief campaign strategist to run a campaign that deliberately ignored 47% of the American electorate.  He would have gotten better advice just reading Alicia Colon’s column, online, for free.

    • lanahi

      I don’t want a Hispanic or black to run just because he is Hispanic or black.  We do not have to reach out to Hispanics, blacks, women, or any other minority group, but instead speak to Americans as a whole.  Everything else is divisive, and that serves only the liberals who caused most of the division in the first place.

      • Laddie_Blah_Blah

        You think people should be ignored because they are black or Hispanic?  It’s more a matter of listening and finding common political ground than "reaching out" to special interests.  Colon was talking about the general welfare and the common good, IMO, not about pandering to special interests.  

        Do you think the Tea Party should be ignored, and its demands unheard, as well?  

        • lanahi

          No one should be ignored.  But in trying to find a "suitable" black or Hispanic to run or trying to pass amnesty, they are ignoring the rest of us and pandering to a minority, are they not?

          It’s like in voting, the candidates pay attention to the swing states but ignore the solid red states, their issues arn’t as important.  No one comes to campaign in Idaho, they are all in Ohio! 

          The issues that are important to the American people as a whole are also important to blacks and Hispanics.  The family is just as important to Hispanics, the blacks are also hurt by the economy…we are all in it together.   So, instead of pandering, one speaks about the economy or the family because it is an American issue.  This is what politicians seem to have forgotten. 

          When one tries to please a subgroup, it displeases another group, so soon the politicians have to make separate promises to each subgroup and becomes a wishy-washy RINO who is afraid to make a stand  for anything at all.

          Speak to us as Americans all.

          • Laddie_Blah_Blah

            I think you are saying exactly what Colon meant.  

            For example, there are many blacks living in the inner cities who are thoroughly frustrated with the public school system, and who favor, overwhelmingly, charter schools, school vouchers and school choice.  That is a very conservative public policy position, but no one in the Romney campaign even mentioned it, not once.  

            Why should blacks who favor school vouchers come out and vote for a Republican who does not bother to address one their most important issues with a conservative proposal, and who doesn’t even mention the issue throughout his entire campaign?  The same goes for social issues, like support for traditional marriage, which is very popular in both the Hispanic and black communities.

            Many Hispanics prefer to own and operate their own businesses, often as family businesses.  Small business owners are a natural constituency for the GOP, even for the GOPe, but you would never know it given the GOPe’s studied inattention to that part of the Hispanic population which would be far better off with a conservative approach to small business entrepeneurs than they are now, under the heavy thumb of oppressive big government regulation.

            You can bet Sarah would have met with black and Hispanic leaders and would have been glad to make the case with them, rather than write them off, as Romney and the GOPe did.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/AJY2ILN24QZAME2ZDKMQJNKBBI Chris

    How many days until the next election?

    Not sure I can take 2 to 4 years of the same old stuff from the politicians and pundits…

    I have not watched Fox since election night and have not been following much of the news outside of Israel and Benghazi…

    Hopefully there will be something to get excited about in the political world in the future but for now its pretty blah.

  • virginiagentleman1

    When I woke up this morning the first thing I saw outside was a world covered in frost. The lawn, the meadows, the bushes and trees as far as the eye could were covered in a dazzling display of gleaming bejeweled frost. Jack used his entire winters allotment in just one night!

    As I headed down to my favorite place for early morning coffee, I kept looking around for our big black and white cat, Zeke. but he was nowhere in sight. It was 22 degrees when I left the house. I guess that Zeke is smarter then I am. I’m out in the cold, while he was snuggled up someplace warm under the house. 
    Once I had set my thermos on the hickory stump, I built a nice fire in the firepit and settled in to enjoy another sunrise and the promise of awakening life attached to it.

    A streak of black and white came flying down the ridge, much to fast to be a skunk or so I hoped. The streak launched itself from 5 feet away and landed in my lap, claws fully extended to keep from sliding off. Don’t ask me how I know that his claws were fully extended. Just suffice it to say that two pairs of underwear would have been much better then one.

    He waited until the fire had been built and was burning merrily before coming down for coffee! (I wish he had given himself a manicure and pedicure before visiting though.) Still, I had brought him a favorite holiday treat of his, an ounce of warm egg nogg, and set it near the fire. Once he smelled the spices in the cold morning air, he jumped down and had his nogg. ( mental note: make that 3 pairs)

    When he was done with his nogg and had himself a nice tidy up, he gathered himself for a leap but I picked him up instead. WHEW! Close call there!

    We watched a large buck as he slipped from the woods edge onto the meadow. On the otherside of the meadow were a couple of does. The buck is standing still with his tongue hanging out as he samples the air for a certain special smell/taste, that of a doe in esterous. His snort told me that those two does weren’t ready, and scared the hell out of Zeke. (addendum to mental note: 4 pairs of unders and 2 pairs of jeans!!)

    So, how was your morning?

    • carmtom13

      Good morning VG sounds like your morning was a little more exciting compared to mine. Hope you are getting stronger and feeling much better each day.

      • virginiagentleman1

        ROFL! Yes, you could say it was a bit more ‘something’  then I was expecting! The word ‘injurious’ comes to mind!  Darn sweet natured cat!
        Thank you for inquiring after my health, Carm. I seem to be getting much better. Today makes the second day in a row that I’ve walked down to my favorite coffee spot on the farm without an oxygen bottle. Little victories, but victories none the less.

        You had a calm morning my dear friend?  THOSE are the BEST mornings to have!  VG

    • RomanBarbarian

      Worky, worky, VG!
      Have a beautiful, gorgeous day, sir!!!!

      • virginiagentleman1

        You have a wonderful day too milady!  Every day that I wake up and find myself still here is a beautiful day!  lol   VG

    • indemind

      Good Morning virginiagent… Hope all is well (health wise)…. *_*

      SarahAmerica- ”We were there, we few, we happy few, we band of brothers, in the blowing snow and pelting rain on the Capitol steps,” Palin said. “I felt right at home.” …

      • virginiagentleman1

        Good morning Indie!

      • TENCOLE

        I will never forget her Madison speech. It’s not my ultimate favorite….that belongs to her Indiana Right To Life speech…..but it’s pretty damn close.

        It’s where I fell in love with Andrew Brietbart……he had me at "Go To Hell!!", and where Palin had me standing and cheering in my own living room…..my family thought I was nuts. ?

        Can’t wait to see another one of those barn burners. !!

    • AmazedOne1

      VG, I want to make sure that you saw my earlier apology:

      I apologize if my words felt like an attack. I never meant them that way at all. What I intended was simply an expression of my sincere reaction. You’re my brother in Christ, and I felt that I could address you as such. I’m sorry.
      http://conservatives4palin.com/2012/11/open-thread-493.html#comment-721959196

      • virginiagentleman1

        Shall we move on, milady? No apology is needed. Lets get back to the business at hand, a conservative president for 2016.  VG

        • palin45potus

          THIS!!!

          (A good day to both of you)

        • AmazedOne1

          Absolutely, my friend. Thank you.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/DR7U2P6FRZNUJMLPQFDERE7STI Don

      Good morning to you and Zeke. A good cup of coffee (without claws) makes a morning go smoother.

      Have a great and wonderful day, my friend.

      Don

      • virginiagentleman1

        It sure does! Now if the ‘claws’ had been a pastery, say like ‘bear claws’ I would have enjoyed them. But Zekes are many, and sharp!

        • senator20526

           I have a furkid just like yours……she is coal black and she wants in my lap all the time…but, she has 3 foot claws and my legs look like a pin cushion….lol

          • virginiagentleman1

            GASP!!! Claws that are 3 foot long are weapons! Got a lot of stitches do ya?

    • korn8131

      Virginman; I’m glad to see you and Zeke are making your daily walk to the hickory stump again. A 92-year-old man said to me a few years ago before he took his final walk. "Son, people who sat on their asses and do not exercise, will lay on their back before their time." Yup, it was my father. That came right out of his  medical journal on how to live a healthy life.

       Anyway,  a little frost, and 22 deg. are a big deal for you folks down in the lower part of this great country. However, up here it’s no big deal when you set in front of a picture window looking at over a foot of the white stuff, with the temp. at single digits. 

      Gal-dang, I love these north woods this time of the year. My work is done for a few months. All I have left to do is hunt, fish (through the ice), and play pool (three times a week). And to top this off at the same time I get to piss grandma off because I’m never home when I’m needed.

      Life is great when we are above the ground my friend and with a little help from our maker, we can keep it that way. God blessed.

      • virginiagentleman1

        Amen! Life is too sweet to dwell solely on the negative stuff.
        Your Pa was right of course, but you knew that.
        Ya know, that ‘pissing Grandma off’, stuff can be bad for your health dontcha?! She may not have sharp medical thingys like like the Boss does, but I have yet to meet a woman who didn’t have a favorite butcher knife in her kitchen collection!

        If you ever ‘type in a high voice here’, we’ll know what happened to ya! lol VG

        • korn8131

          Thanks for the tip old buddy, I forgot about the steel.

  • Freempg

    Looks like a slow day, thought I’d post this. Sorry for the length. Wrote it some time ago for fun. Hope you enjoy it.

    THE CONTINUUM
     

    Interregnum: "A period when normal government is suspended, esp. between successive reigns or regimes." (Source: Merriam Webster, Definition 1)

    Dateline: 01/28/2012
    Oval Office, Washington, DC

    Promises went both ways. Barack Obama bet big, demanding immunity from prosecution for plundering the nation to ruin. Jeb looked at his father for his reaction. Pappy sat motionless. His ceramic hip had recently given out, the malfunction having required him to be wheeled into the Oval Office on an experimental solar-powered General Electric chair. Pappy, a former naval aviator, had volunteered to take the first test flight. A bedeviling bug had yet to be worked out with the lithium ion battery pack. The chair kept shooting a current into the former president which presented as a form of turrets with attendant arm hitches and hikes. The czars, with grudging admiration, had taken to calling him Strangelove.

    Barack and the Bushes: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/01/obama-has-oval-office-meeting-with-bush-41-and-jeb-bush/

    Pappy was not on his game. The ol’ wheels weren’t spinning quite the same. He was taking too long to agree to an offer which would guarantee Jeb the presidency in 2016. "That’s the tell!” Valerie Jarrett yelled into Obama’s inner-ear-implanted nanotech receiver. Obama’s instinctive reaction was to rip it out, but he controlled the futile impulse and only hooked a finger in and wriggled as if at an itch. Jarrett kept harping to push for even more. She knew Jeb needed Chicago’s help on an even more pressing issue. It didn’t help Obama’s other ear that Michelle shrieked an ill-tempered reminder from behind closed doors that the Sheiks and she had agreed that banshee Sarah Palin had better not be let anywhere near her White House with all that talk of energy independence! Barack cocked his head in the general direction of the verbal abuse, rolled his eyes, half-smiled, and said, "You think Barbara–may I call her Babs–is bad? Look at what I have to put up with." Obama leaned back in quiet contemplation … O, how I miss my Reggie Love, he silently sighed, shifting to adjust a pant leg.

    Reggie Love: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/reggie-love-obama-body-man-to-leave-white-house-by-years-end/2011/11/09/gIQAvjU06M_story.html

    Barack did not hold Jeb to his promise that there would be no brokered convention. What did Obama care if there was? His media allies had agreed to render it a three ring circus. The candidates might as well be careening around in clown cars than appealing to the people. Should there be a brokered convention, however, Obama insisted Palin not be allowed anywhere near the podium. She damned near ruined everything in 2008, and would have, too, had it not been for Romney and his surrogates. And who leaked the facts to The American Spectator for the article “Post Defeat Planners?”

    http://spectator.org/archives/2008/10/27/post-defeat-planners

    The Bushes and Obama knew Romney would be the easiest and least expensive to defeat. "We have gotten him this far," Pappy said. “And we’ll get him the rest of the way.” The General Electric chair suddenly rocked and bucked as if an earthquake had struck causing Pappy’s arms to jut straight up as if at gun point.

    Jeb bowed his head, knowing full well Mitt could still blow it in Iowa. He had yet to inform Pappy of the real reason he had become so unsettled by Romney’s inability to close out the competition. Pappy was unaware, as he is of more and more these days that Jeb had doubled down and bet the family compound on a Romney victory in the Hawkeye state. He reasoned if Romney could manipulate the machine and steal the media spotlight from the Santorum, Romney was a safe bet to go all the way. He arranged a meeting with La Familia and brought the deed for Kennebunkport as collateral. They offered surprisingly good odds to take the other side of the “safe bet". Prior to departure Jeb extended a hand but was pulled into an embrace, kissed on both cheeks and asked to confer greetings to Pappy.

    Jeb was certain his campaign machinery, once Iowa was in the bag, could then deliver a convincing victory in Florida and cement Romney’s inevitability which would guarantee a GOP loss in turn clearing the way for 2016. To be safe he pulled out a couple more stops. Chris Christie was overjoyed to stump for Romney and became his biggest supporter, literally. His endorsement, however, is carrying decidedly less weight with the base. Ann Coulter even agreed to rally for Romney. She was feeling her oats, rather her beans these days as she had switched her menopause regimen from Premarin derived from horse urine for the side-effect of her long face resembling more and more a mare.

    To resume her passage through menopause, which was more like the Straits of Hormuz, Coulter was now injecting bio-identical hormones derived from genetically-modified Monsanto soybeans. How was Jeb to know that her compound pharmacy was run by La Familia and had switched her prescription with that of her paramour Bill Maher? She now had about as much sway with the conservative base as he had. It was obvious her symptoms were not estrogen but testosterone related for her having sprouted a Nare-resistant hide of hair and rather than a mare now bore the likeness of a jack ass. Her cackle was more a bray than a neigh.

    Jeb’s luck was as it always has been, bad. Things were muddled in Iowa. Romney stole the limelight as expected, but Santorum technically won. He by now had discerned the odds were less for his next pair of loafers being cobbled of Italian leather than poured of New Jersey cement.

    "I can get the money," Pappy shouted, his arms still held high. Barack didn’t know what he was talking about but was all ears—Valerie Jarrett knew full well what the offer was all about. Obama had no need to know.

    Jeb realized that La Familia had contacted his father and demanded cash or title to Kennebunkport or else … There was no choice that Jeb agree to pardon Obama and anyone else—Chicago would provide the list—for their myriad high crimes and misdemeanors they had already and would continue to commit in exchange for a guarantee for 2016. Once agreed they would influence La Familia, a member of their crime syndicate, to let Jeb off the hook.

    “It’s a deal,” Jeb agreed, extending a hand. Obama’s grip was soft as a sponge. "Don’t worry, Jeb," he said, "Their telling me it’s yours in 2016." He released Jeb’s perspiring palm then reached up and high-fived both of Pappy’s.

    "There is no guarantee we will have elections in 2016," Jarrett reminded. "If we do allow them good luck to another Bush winning let alone on the vaunted Republican principles of merit," she cackled, or it could have been earpiece static. Obama wriggled a pinky at the itch.

    It had been planned prior to the engineered loss of McCain in 2008 that Romney in 2012 would be the sacrificial lamb. Romney was the first to be informed of the deal struck between the two parties. He was at his villa in La Jolla relaxing on his ocean-view veranda in a starched white undergarment. Ann was adorned similarly but had draped a white silken robe to protect against the ozone hole hovering like a galactic battleship which was firing radioactive rays and would otherwise have fried her alabaster shoulders to a crisp. She stood gazing out to sea as if from a widow’s watch. A seagull hovered above in hopes of something to scavenge. When nothing was forthcoming it squawked and veered off plopping a protest of unpleasantries. Romney sucked through a straw from a natural coconut goblet with the logo of the Log Cabin Republicans strapped on it. It was a trophy of sorts awarded for his work as a moderate in Massachusetts, for shooting the gap up the middle if you will.

    The trustee from Romney’s blind trust had just called and confirmed a deal had been reached between the Bushes and Chicago. He would be the 2012 nominee. The digital ones and zeroes had already tumbled another fortune into his tax-exempt account in a Cayman Island bank which only by coincidence was the domiciled headquarters of one George Soros.

    • virginiagentleman1

      A bit of dark humor my friend. I like it!

  • technopeasant

    I have always been fascinated by the idea of one has to take full advantage of a situation when one stumbles upon it or if events conspire to favor a person on a specific occasion or forever lose the opportunity or at least not be in a position to take advantage of the same opportunity for a long, long time. The phrase strike while the iron is hot comes to mind.

    For example you are a young guy at a wedding who meets a young girl he is attracted to who he has never met before. You and she enjoy each other’s company, communicate well with each other and appear simpatico. But she lives in a different city and because they have similar acquaintances should he reconcile himself to the fact that they will eventually meet again when someone else in their sphere of influence gets married and they can then renew their friendship?

    Should our young guy procrastinate or should he ask for her phone number and ask her out? How important is it to get to know her NOW? Can he take a chance that her life may go in a different direction or she may meet someone else? Could he find out eventually that he has missed the proverbial boat?

    This Sunday the New England Patriots face one of those dilemmas. Let me set the scene. The Patriots (8-3) are facing the Miami Dolphins (5-6) on Sunday and if they win that game they will have clinched the division and be in the playoffs.

    In other words it appears they only have to win one more game and they will be in the postseason. But not so fast. Here is where it gets interesting. I believe a scenario can be concocted if the Pats lose on Sunday they may not win the division even if they win one or two more games after losing to Miami.

    One bit of information to note: The Dolphins play the Patriots in the last game of the season as well.

    So here is where it gets interesting:

    a) If the Dolphins upset the Patriots this Sunday the Pats record falls to 8-4 and the Dolphins move up to 6-6. Officially the Dolphins at that point own the tiebreaker over the Pats meaning if they are tied in the standing at the end of the regular season, the Dolphins win the division.

    b) Both the Pats and the Dolphins then have 4 games left. If the Pats only win one of the following 3 games but lose to the Dolphins at the end of the season and the Dolphins go 2-1 in the following three games and then beats the Pats again then both would end up with a 9-7 record and the Dolphins would win the division.

    You ask how likely is it the Pats would win only once against their next 3 opponents after Miami–Houston Texans, San Francisco 49 ers and the Jacksonville Jaguars? Friends it’s quite possible. for the Pats to lose to the Texans and SF and then beat the Jaguars and fall to 9-6 and then be faced with the task of having to beat the Dolphins to again win the division.

    Or even if the Pats win 2 of 3 against these 3 opponents, if the Dolphins went 3-0 in their next three games the Pats would be at 10-5 and the Dolphins 9-6. If the Dolphins win they both boast a 10-6 record and the Dolphins win the division.

    But again even if the Dolphins lose one game of this three game stretch, the Pats cannot clinch the division until they win 2 of 3 in their own 3 game stretch. If the Pats manage to lose to the Texans then they face a lot of pressure the following week against SF, for if they lose that game as well they could be in for a boatload of problems even though most people consider the Miami Dolphins an inferior opponent.

    And then the Pats could be faced with the task of having to beat the Dolphins at home on the last game of the season to win the division and in football anything can happen in one game.

    Moral of the story: Take care of business NOW! Or you may find yourself outside looking in.

    • palin45potus

      Same idea in a different arena:

      In WW2, as bad as the attack on Pearl Harbor was, the Japanese ensured their eventual defeat by not coming back for another round of bombing and hitting the fuel reserves and possibly getting a carrier or maybe both of them.

      That was their one chance, and they failed to kill the King after they attacked the King.

      They didn’t seize the day.  Admiral Yamamoto knew it as soon as he heard the results.

  • n4cerinc

    A poster posted this article in another thread that I can no longer find: 
    Sarah Palin in 2016 Presidential Race is no laughing matter

    http://www.examiner.com/article/sarah-palin-2016-presidential-race-is-no-laughing-matter

    • TENCOLE

       That’s a great, great article. BTW……where the heck is Palin anyways ??

      • juju341

        Spending time with her son who is home on leave, decorating her house for Christmas, Christmas shopping for a large family.  Relaxing….going to LA to see daughter doing DWS….sounds like she might be busy and happy not to be too involved in politics right now. 

        P.S.  Maybe working on that new book she is writing.

        • $26225604

           I dont think he is home "on leave" He spent a year there, so he is home.
           possibly for good unless in the next few years he gets called again. He is reserve.

  • Patriot41

     A good article by Kevin and just a few years ago, I would say he was absolutely right about the conservative mentality across this country, but now I am really wondering if that is still the case?  I am not alone with this thought process, as even the great conservative Rush Limbaugh, has expressed the very same thoughts.  As he stated on his show, when he woke up on Nov. 7th, he wondered if he had lost his country?  I have been wondering that for several years now!

    The results of this last election, has convinced me that there is a great societal and cultural change occurring in this country and around the world.  When one steps back and takes a look at the big picture from a global perspective, one finds that there is a very rebellious attitude and movement, that is contrary to the social order that we have known for generations.  One has to consider what is happening not only in the Middle East, but also in Europe as well as here in the United States.  Looking to the South American continent, we find the same unhappiness with leadership, in those countries as well.

    Most disturbing about all of these movements, is that socialism has gained throughout these areas in major proportions, when it comes to the newly elected leaders of these countries.  Socialism, like it’s mother communism, is a godless ideology when it comes to dealing with the Creator of the Universe.  The only gods in Socialism, are the leaders of the movement and their religion is Marxism.  This is an important aspect to consider when looking at society in general, because morals, ethics and values have nothing to do with the religion of Marxism.  Conservatives base their beliefs on the principles set fourth by their Creator, morals, ethics and values.  Therefore, they are now dealing with a cultural change not only in their countries, but around the world.  When one comes to this realization, one must also realize that consideration in dealings with such major changes, must be made in order to develop a proper perspective on how to deal with these changes and the leadership behind it.

    It is my belief, that we are going to see many unbelievable changes in this country and around the world, in the next four years and those changes are going to be very hard for many to accept.  One must first understand the mindset of the socialist movement that is occurring, in order to properly deal with it.  At this point in time in the U.S., the socialists are making a major move to bring the citizens under full control of the government and it is apparent that their efforts are working.  In doing so, they are attacking the Christian values system, through political correctness and govt., mandate.  They are bypassing the Constitutional laws of this nation and the individual rights that it protects.  They have control of all three branches of our govt., as well as both political party’s and it is only a matter of time, before they accomplish their agenda.  This is the political situation in our country right now and I defy anyone to tell me differently.

    Because of this situation, conservatives, Christians and independents that have not already been drawn into this socialist movement, are going to have to come together in solidarity and establish a strategy to defend their beliefs and their inheritance, that was left for them by this country’s forefathers.  In order to protect and defend our lifestyle, patriotism will have to prevail.  That will not be an effort by any one person, but will require a groundswell that socialists cannot deter. 

    • korn8131

      Thanks my friend. If I may add, every revolution in history was preceded by the masses who were under great social stress and pain inflected by the "Tyranny" that stood over their liberties. That’s why this country was founded. With this said, it is my belief that the masses in this country have not reached that point yet. I also believe with some more of this social progressive inflected pain that we see today is needed. And maybe it for the best, if it helps bring those who are not capable of understand nothing but pain. The sooner the better, in my opinion.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/DR7U2P6FRZNUJMLPQFDERE7STI Don

        I am afraid that the masses are getting close though. I read on other blogs and I see more and more that people are arming themselves against government thugs. I am getting more and more nervous that things are coming to a head quickly.

        I just have to leave in the hands of God!!

        Just the opinion of a dumbfounded ole (Natural Born Citizen)
        country boy.

  • $26225604

    Got a letter from my health insurance today, Blue Cross. My premium is going up another $98 per month. Every time I get a large packet from them it is a rate increase!
    Cant wait for the day I can no longer afford this and need to go to Govt for insurance. sarc/

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YMXIAHSHFCMSCZ4CBM7TO5NC5I Joe Durnavich

      I miss the old days when Obamacare was supposed to lower your premiums by $2500 a year on average.

      • lanahi

        First it raises it by $5000, then it lowers it by $2500, and people think they’ve got a good deal!

    • Freempg

      That’s the plan.

  • stlouisix

    I couldn’t believe what I was reading on CNS today!  If the Obamunists are allowed to get away with this rot, we deserve our fate at their sorry hands!

    Carney: Obama ‘Not Particularly Concerned About’ What Rice Said on 5 Sunday Shows
    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/carney-obama-not-particularly-concerned-about-what-rice-said-5-sunday-shows

    The families of FOUR DEAD AMERICANS care, you worthless bastard!

    Clinton Ducks Question on Why She Didn’t Explain Benghazi on Sunday Shows
    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/clinton-ducks-question-why-she-didnt-explain-benghazi-sunday-shows

    AXIOM:  When you’re as guilty as hell, you duck answers exposing your guilt!

    British MP: NYT CEO Thompson’s ‘Failure to Get His Story Straight’ On BBC Child-Molestation Scandal Should Concern Paper’s Staff
    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/british-mp-nyt-ceo-thompson-s-failure-get-his-story-straight-bbc-child-molestation

    We’re talking about the flagship for PRAVDA USA here in the New York Slimes which never met a perversion that it not only embraced, no questions asked, moreover, no questions allowed, but also demands that the rest of society similarly embrace under force of unjust law, the common good be damned!  Sane societies that don’t have a death wish are under no such obligations!

    Dem Rep. Hank Johnson: Amend Constitution to Restrict Freedom of Speech
    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/dem-rep-hank-johnson-amend-constitution-restrict-freedom-speech

    Hard to argue that more proof is needed that The Democrats are now officially The Communist Party in America after reading this!

    Federal Court Temporarily Blocks HHS Contraception Mandate for Private Business Owner
    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/federal-court-temporarily-blocks-hhs-contraception-mandate-private-business-owner

    A tyrannical government of the lawless must be resisted to its face at every level, local, state, and federal, so that it knows, in no uncertain terms, that it is going to have the fight of its life on its hands in trying to turn a free people into slaves to its unconstitutional dictates under force of unjust law!  We owe that to the fallen in all of the wars fought for America throughout history to secure our unalienable God-given rights to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" of The Declaration of Independence, that their deaths are not rendered to have been in vain by communists masquerading as Americans!

    Calif., Ariz. Border Towns Have Nation’s Highest Unemployment: Over 28%
    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/calif-ariz-border-towns-have-nation-s-highest-unemployment-over-28

    Which proves in spades that Obama is concerned about nothing other than his political survival with a ready reservoir of illegal voters dependent upon his nanny state at the expense of America’s national security and economy, as he willfully trashes the free America of the founding fathers in the face of an impotent GOPE opposition that couldn’t care less, or worse, supports him!

    • senator20526

       Yuma,Az on the Colorado River which is the border with Calif…..Unemployment is 29.9% last month.

  • dave7777

    If you do not trust Sarah Palin, then who in the h#ll do you trust? I’m serious…who do you trust?

    • wodiej

      God.

  • blueniner

    TROLL Alert down thread……..

    • Right_Wingnut

      Why are people responding to the troll?

      • blueniner

        It should be removed it got through the cracks, and has a like checker with it…….LOL..

        • Right_Wingnut

          Did they disable the "flag" feature? 

          • Freempg

            long time ago, reason: internecine warfare between posters not necessarily trolls just getting angry at one another and clicking the flag button. drove the moderators crazy i hear tell.

            • Right_Wingnut

              I only flagged 2-3 times, and they were both obvious trolls. I’ve never felt the urge to "tattle" on people, so I didn’t even realize it was gone.

              • Freempg

                You should have seen it in here on October 5th, 2011. Thank God for the flag, I think a dozen trolls were zapped at least. It was a good tool.

                • Right_Wingnut

                  I was here. In fact, I just read through that thread a few days ago. I actually deleted a couple of my choice replies to Greg Legakis, where I used the "F" word. I noticed you used it too. :)

                  I agree that it’s good for trolls. Too bad people abused it.

            • senator20526

               The moderators are crazy?

      • $26225604

         practice

    • Freempg

      report to abuse@conservatives4palin.com, name the thread and the troll.

  • korn8131

    For what it’s worth; This is a reply to one of Isabel great post, I would like to share with you folks. I believe in my heart that this movement has legs. All we have to do is hammer it home day in and day out.

    Isabel; These are Sarah’s words. What Sarah has insinuated all along, is that she would step forward if she knew there was over whelming support for her to do this? She is smart enough and has no interest in making something like this happen on her own. She is aware of what happen with third parties of the past. They failed because it  wasn’t a movement by the people for the people. The so-called third party movements were started by  politicians who wanted to get elected on his terms. And that my friend is the difference. Here is some food for thought and take time to understand what Sarah is telling us. It helps support the point I’m trying to get across to you and others."I would seriously consider whatever I can do to help our country” and again  "Anything in this life, in this world is possible. Anything is possible for an American. I don’t discount any idea or plan that, at this point, isn’t in my control. Anything’s possible,” she said.  http://www.alan.com/2012/03/06…

    • Freempg

      I enjoy Isabel’s post and gumption, korn, and your sentiments as well. If there is a third party movement it should be more technical than candidate specific to offer an option to a presidential reformer shunned by the Republicans as the Governor was this year.

      I just think it’s fighting the last war that hopes be held that the Governor break out and go rogue in this instance. 2012 was the year to shoot the gap between the two major parties with an independent run. It may have kept the Dems and Reps from gaining 272 electors and thrown the election into the House of Representatives for the decision. 

      An independent or third party run by the Governor in 2016 would set her up to be fired at from all directions, which she should expect to be anyhow should she seek the Republican nomination, but I think over time she would get lost in the wide open field of who knows how many contenders on both sides.
       
      The Governor can shock the field by announcing for the GOP nomination now, while the GOPe is down, especially Rove who blew a quarter billion of stupid smart money. This could be the opportunity we’ve been waiting for. This could be the cycle conservatives can take over the machinery. But it must start now.

      The Governor’s entry could force GOPe heads to roll as money pours into to her for support. Hillary’s might even be forced to delcare early to contest for the title of "first woman" president — with no fire in the belly to do so and with the odius rapist Bill smiling clownlike at her side.

      Democrat men politicians (if there are any real men among them) may think twice whether they could first beat Hillary and then Sarah Palin who will garner a lot of support from Hillary supporters as she did in 2008 should Hillary be beaten up in the primaries. A lot of would-be candidates may be frozen out and we have our two nominees early.

      The only question remaining would be this: Will the GOPe still continue its war on a conservative woman and hand the presidency to Hillary?

      • korn8131

        Mpg; In response to your question. Of course, they would. They have and they will continue. You have to understand this is all about money and power. They have no interest in backing someone like Sarah that is a threat to their power base. In my opinion, my friend it is really simple to understand if you don’t lose track of what has transpired in the past. I’m reposting a reply that I made on this same subject to help clarify my point in this discussion.

        A great point 45. If I may add, I can’t take anymore of this attitude, that the GOP will change. They haven’t, and they will not!! They have just proven at the Republican National Covention that, they have no interested any type of a makeover that involves constitutional conservatism. The party is incapable of a makeover. Even if they were, they are so tarnished that most folks would think of it as a fugazi. Why some folks refuse to acknowledge this, when it’s right in front of there eyes, to me  is mind boggling.  Case in point again, was the shunting of Sarah and the tea party at the Republican National Covention not enough proof they are not interested in changing. And last but not least, early as last week, Jeb Bush name was put out by their political hacks. Now that’s a good sign that it’s ready for real change?

        • Freempg

          I understand, korn, I’ve been thinking the same since Bob Dole (acrually since HW Bush, thought Jack Kemp was the real Reagan heir apparent). I just think the GOPe can be taken down from the inside this time, and with a technical building of a third party, and the Governor not removing the threat should she be cheated again (she would have to have a clear reason) then she could exercise the threat to go rogue. I just think it’s worth a shot to take control of the apparatus as the path of least resistance with the real threat to go third party held oer the GOPe’s head. 

          • korn8131

            Freempg; Maybe it would be little better for you if you knew more about me and where I’m coming from. I’m 72yrs old and have voted in thirteen presidential elections. Of those thirteen’ I only vote Republican four times. The 2nd term for Reagan (yes I’m a Reagan conservative Democrat, and most folks don’t understand that we aged Democrats have conservative value also). I voted again for George Bush Sr. Because I thought, he would follow along the path that Reagan had set in place. I was wrong about it of course. I voted again Republican in 2008 only because of Sarah. And finally, I voted this latest time for a Republican because I had no other choice. By the way, this election is my last time voting for a Republican or Democrat.  

            Now with this said, you have to understand there are millions of us Democrats (this, by the way, isn’t reported in the lame stream media because we both know why) and conservative Republicans that are dissatisfied with their party. Why is this? The answer is simple, both parties have been hijacked by social progressive and RINOs. If you are a Reagan Democrat or a true Republican constitutional conservative and there are millions of us. The question now is how to accomplish uniting the two factions? The simple answer, in my humble opinion, is to have an independent third party?  That’s where I’m coming from, and I hope this clears up my position.

            • Freempg

              I am an independent who has never voted for a Democrat. I understand where you are coming from korn.  I just think a person like Reagan could very well reassemble the same coalition and win as a Republican not as a Democrat for I will NEVER vote for a Democrat.

              You must also not forget that a new party may not be perfect. You are assuming constitutional conservatives will remain in strict control and their leadership not corrupted. Look at what happened to the Tea Party. I just don’t think it’s the right time. I think, as I have said before, that was the 2012 battle.  We do not want to be fighting on two fronts for 2016 if we can help it. Go for the GOP nomination early enough, meaning now, and if there are shenanigans, then threaten independent or third party with enough time to do something about it.

              • korn8131

                Freempg; I respect your opinion. How either change that we have discussed comes about, only time can tell. I hope sake of my kids and grand kids either one of our visions comes true. However, my hopes for either party have vaporized.  Good luck my friend.

              • lanahi

                Many states have "sore loser" laws, meaning you cannot register as an independent or third party if you have already run within a certain time frame in another party.  So, it isn’t possible in those states to start out as a GOP and then change midstream to independent or third party…you have to do one or the other or wait for a stated time before you can run again on another platform.
                There will ALWAYS be shenanigans…that’s a given.  So we already know what the GOPe ground game would be, and that’s to do everything possible to shut her out.  They may not be threatened at first by a possible independent or third party run, although they would panic later when they saw how much support it had. Until they had to face the reality, they can avoid admitting to themselves that Sarah could win over their chosen candidate.

          • lanahi

             She has already tried to change the GOP from the inside.  It hasn’t worked.

  • blueniner

    I usually dont post anything by this woman, but in this case I will make an exception. This is to interesting to pass up since we have been talking alot about MARCO ROOOOOBIO and his probable run for Presidency or his being annoited by the GOP. More information is coming about him, and he is looking more and more like a charlatan much like Obama, only difference there is an R behind his name. Give it a read and the comments are very interesting, people are getting wise.
    http://www.debbieschlussel.com/56731/huh-marco-rubio-said-what/

    • c4pfan

      No thanks. 

    • narciso

       I pointed out the greater idiocy of extolling a violent  Palin hating misogynist, like Marshall Mathers, over Pitbull,

    • golfmom3

      I think Debbie fuels her life with negativity.  That said, she is quoting an article in GQ (which must have made Roooobio’s head swell to think he made GQ!! Whoo!) where Rubio says a bunch of stuff about rappers such as Eminem (Marshall) and Public Enemy.  It’s a stupid topic on which to opine considering his apparent presidential aspirations, but Rooooobio seems to think it makes him sound hip and in the moment.  That would be only to those who have no idea about the lyrics; most of the rap audience knows those lyrics cold and analyze their meaning.

      Roooooooobio is a tool.

      • blueniner

        Yes she is very negative, but in this case she used her negativity in the right place, as you can see from other posters some in Florida talked about Rooooobios shenanagins and shady deals, he has to be watched like a hawk. Since he is being anointed for the 2016 by the GOPe and Sean Hannutty and others.

  • jerseymark

    Today, we move on to another fairly hot button issue – namely the scientific “theory” of Evolution as Mr. Lewis provides his thoughts from his book, “The Weight of Glory”:

    “ You remember the old puzzle as to whether the owl came from the egg or the egg from the owl. The modern acquiescence in universal evolution is a kind of optical illusion, produced by attending exclusively to the owl’s emergence from the egg. We are taught from childhood to notice how the perfect oak grows from the acorn and to forget that the acorn inself was dropped by a perfect oak. We are reminded constantly that the adult human being was an embryo, never that the life of theembryo came from two adult human beings. We love to notice that the express engine of today in the descendant of the ‘Rocket’; we do not equally remember that the ‘Rocket’ springs not from some even more rudimentary engine, but from something much more perfect and complicated than itself – namely, a man of genius. The obviousness or naturalness which most people seem to find in the idea of emergent evolution thus seems to be a pure hallucination.”

    I will say it right out – EVOLUTION IS THE BIGGEST LIE THAT SATAN HAS YET PRODUCED AND IS THE DEFINITION OF SO-CALLED WISE MEN BEING FOOLS.

    Here is the thing – there is absolutely no evidence to support the theory as a fact. It is simply one man’s godless explanation for the Creation which the godless science experts latched unto due to their existing metaphysical prejudice – namely their refusal to recognize the existence of God. Of course, the curious thing about that is that God’s existence is not dependent in any way whatsoever on whether these educated idiots recognize His existence or not I will offer one overriding point establishing the fraud of Evolution – the chromosome which is the foundation of life itself. The Chromosome is the most complicated molecule in existence by a very large margin. Its structure is quite peculiar among molecules and it contains within it the information and direction for the creation of living things. The idea that such a molecule with such powers would somehow, by pure chance, come together in the “primordial ooze” is ridiculous in the extreme no matter if it had a trillion years to do it. Then this absurdity is multiplied exponentially by the fact that it would have to happen repeatedly and independently in the samemanner, in the same structure and order and then be encased in a cell in its nucleus and then mysteriously come alive and give direction to the cell to duplicate itself so it could divide and make two cells.

    If you haven’t appreciated just how ridiculous the idea of Evolution is yet, let’s take it to the next level. Let’s consider a animal that has four chromosomes which define its physical characteristics and capabilities. This would be a low level rather rudimentary creature. Now as the theory goes, we all evolved originally for one cell organisms getting increasingly complex along the way. This would mean that in the evolutionary chain, the animal (probably a worm as I recall) with four chromosomes would somehow mutate over the many, many years into another animal which would have different chromosomes and more likely if more advanced, more chromosomes. Now the ridiculousness of Evolution at this stage is exposed by the idea that somehow, the changes in chromosome order as well as the creation of additional chromosomes just happens through chance mutation which initially may seem possible if given millions and millions of years but the same mutation would have to happen repeatedly but also with a distinction as to sex among those animals that are paired male and female. Now, if I recall correctly, human beings have 23 chromosomes, usually, one side of the chromosome ladder being supplied by the male and one by the female and they have to match up to work. That means that those chance mutations had to happen perfectly millions upon millions of times, matching perfectly with others at the same time.IT TAKES AN ABSURD AMOUNT OF FAITH TO BELIEVE THE THEORY OF EVOLUTIONRATHER THAN TO SIMPLY ACCEPT THE FACT THAT IT WAS ALL THE WORK ANDCREATION OF AN ALMIGHTY GOD. EVOLUTION IS NOTHING BUT A GODLESS RELIGION. There is not a shred of evidence to support Evolution and I would say to those that say you can’t prove there is a God – look around you you fool and consider the sheer complexity of life, thevery structure of matter itself, The way an embryo grows into a human being with cells just “knowing” what there job is in cell differentiation as some become nerve cells, some skin cells, some blood cells, and so on, all from one fertilized egg cell. If that does not prove the existence of God to you then you are simply in rebellion and refuse to use the faculties and capabilities God gave you.

    • jerseymark

      If you want to see a very spirited discussion on this topic, check out the last page of yesterday’s thread which lasted until 10 this morning and contained this comment before coming to work. Many meaningful responses. 

      • GeraldGoff

        no matter how many times you post this, you are still wrong about the science of evolution and biology.

        • golfmom3

          You do realize how the theory of evolution influenced eugenics and Naziism, don’t you?  The biological science that has been associated with this theory can be assimilated into other theories of origin.  It all depends on your world view.  Biological science can be tested (and was not questioned by the instigating post).  Evolution can’t be tested — that’s why it is a theory.  Check me on that, if you will –

          Jerseymark reminds me: it’s not just biology. Evolution has to account for plant biology, physics, climatology and atmospheric science, geology, chemistry, and on and on and on. Science would be absolutely chaotic if there were no inherent order in the universe.

          • jerseymark

            The interesting thing which is not getting well known is that the cutting edge scientists in the field of quantum physics, theoretical physics working to a grand unified theory of forces and the like are coming up against what they have said is "God". The problem with Evolutionists is that they are decades out of date with regard to the current cutting edge of science but since it is a religion, they don’t care. 
            Here is another point to consider that almost no one recognizes and that is anything we think of as solid matter really isn’t. Within each atom there is more open space in a relationship to the actual particles similar to the open space in our solar system. What we consider as solid is actually nothing but the opposing forces butting up against each other like the repelling of two magnets with same poles facing each other. The entire universe if nothing but an interplay of forces and the question that should be asked is what energizes or drives these forces.
            Once you start breaking down the material universe and examining how it all fits together, the balance existing among the various forces keeping it all from flying apart is the open and shut case for the existence of God. This is why the Bible describes the old universe going up in a massive fire ball because a word from God taking away that balance will result in everything flying apart releasing all that energy that has been needed to keep it together.

            In fact, they have even referred to a particle they have found as "the God Particle". The fact is that we, even the best of us, do NOT know what we don’t know and science is constantly changing, but somehow Evolution doesn’t.

            • stillgoing

               I find this fascinating, keep posting, thanks a bunch!

        • jerseymark

          Yet still not a single fact or argument as to why I am wrong, nor any idea as to the creation of chromosomes initially as if even basic life doesn’t need DNA to live and survive. I suspect that you just believe that Evolution and biology answer these questions and have not in any way examined the ramifications involved. Just deal with the chromosome construction by chance and I will laud your attempt.

  • technopeasant

    A year ago at a Denver Broncos fan site I wrote this piece that I believe illustrated at the time what Tim Tebow was up against as he kept winning games despite mounting crticism.

    A year later I think my thoughts and ideas have been vindicated and proven to be extremely accurate so again I repost it at C4P so we can all learn how important "face" is not only in sports but also in politiics.

    TIM TEBOW AND THE CONCEPT OF FACE

    You have to be living under a rock as an American if you have never heard of Tim Tebow and not be aware of the mounting criticism and ridicule leveled at him as the current starting QB of the Denver Broncos by many factions.

    Having witnessed this growing phenomenon, you may wonder why this is occurring and my answer to that is, they are afraid of LOSING FACE. For those not familiar with the concept, LOSING FACE dominates the Chinese culture in what you say or do can bring embarrassment or lasting shame to an individual or to one’s family if you are proven wrong or commit wrongheaded actions and in so doing destroy their personal credibility or cachet or permanently diminish the influence or power of that individual or family.

    In the West, the concept of LOSING FACE is NOT so pronounced and is mainly confined to the individual but nevertheless it is present among several different factions. So with that in mind here are various factions and the reasons for their continuing and mounting criticism and ridicule of Tim Tebow:

    a) Broncos management

    It is clear from the outset that John Elway (club President) and John Fox (head coach) did not want Tebow to succeed as a starting QB in their NFL team. Qhite honestly I believe that management was completely embarrassed that Tebow was chosen by the Broncos in 2010 (by a previous regime) as a first round draft choice and would rather not have played him. Having said that management was in a realy tough spot, caught between ownership and the fan base, between a rock and hard place.

    The owner is paying all this money to Tebow and wants to get his money’s worth while the majority of the fan base is apparently pro-Tebow and believes he should start over Orton.

    This is where occasionally the concept of SAVING FACE takes over and LOSING FACE becomes less of a factor in deciding to change course. Imho, after Orton took the Broncos to a 1-4 record and the season looked very bleak only one-third way into it, Bronco’s management realized that they had to change their strategy towards Tebow. They would still express reservations about Tebow’s ability to be a starting QB in the NFL to SAVE FACE if Tebow bombed out but allow Tebow to show what he could do in order to get both ownership and the fan base off its back. Once the Tebow experiment failed they would then SAVE MORE FACE by telling both management and the fans that it was simply not working out. At that time also they had no desire whatsoever to tailor the offense to take advantage of Tebow’s unique skill sets.

    Now to the present day. The Broncos are now 4-5 and a game out of leading the division. With a win on Thursday against the New York Jets, the Broncos can tie the Raiders, pending Oakland’s game on Sunday against the Vikings in Minnesota.

    The interview given by Coach John Fox to the NFL Network is very interesting. Because of Tebow’s recent success, Fox appears to no longer be worried about LOSING FACE by playing Tebow and running the zone option but is now more concerned about LOSING FACE among his peers, the coaching fraternity, for completely transforming his offense into "back to the future". In other words Fox imho is trying to cushion the blow to the other coaches that they do NOT consider it a major LOSS OF FACE if they lose to Tebow and the Broncos going forward. 

    As for Elway’s recent praise of Tebow, I agree with a poster that ownership has talked to him and told him this was not the time nor the place to dump on Tebow. In addition Elway may have decided that may not be LOSING FACE after all by playing Tebow. Remember who Elway ultimately answers to.

    b) Sports/beat writers

    These are folks who write regular sports’ columns on the local NFL team, football strategy and profile players and over the years have gained a reputation or cachet for their musings. And for those scribes who remain steadfast that Tebow cannot succeed as a starting QB without being a ‘traditional’ dropback QB who stays in the pocket and runs little, these folks continue to attack Tebow despite Tebow’s 4-3 career win loss record and Tebow’s other favorable stats. To these folks the fact that Tebow is winning is beside the point. For them it is more important not to LOSE FACE, become embarrassed and to be forced eventually to eat crow and admit they were wrong about Tim Tebow. Thus they dig in even further and refuse to acknowledge reality or what they are seeing which provides mounting evidence to the contrary.

    c) ESPN and other national networks, media pundits and football analysts

    Sure these folks also do NOT want to LOSE FACE by being proven wrong about Tebow but I believe there is a more overarching reason in that there has been and still is a concerted effort by the national media to deny Tim Tebow "legitimacy" as even an adequate starting QB in the NFL. And the reason for that is to maintain the status quo in terms of what a NFL QB should look like and to act on behalf of very powerful and prominent forces in the NFL who are determined as well to maintain the status quo. Tim Tebow is unconventional and in terms of the NFL power structure there is no greater sin one can commit.

    d) The management of the other 31 teams

    If Tebow succeeds as an unconventional QB and these other teams fail with traditional QB’s then management will be assailed by local sports writers and the fans for not considering drafting a QB like Tebow and/or crticized for running a pro-style offense that is not working. And it quite possible scouts, coaches, and general managers and even owners could LOSE FACE in the process. Thus the decision has been made to be proactive and imho to take down Tim Tebow if they can with (c) being their instrument in doing so.

    e) Opposing coaches, players who play the Broncos and Tim Tebow

    Have you noticed that Hue Jackson of the Raiders and Todd Haley of the Chiefs have gone to great lengths to make the point they "prepared" for the zone/read option all week? The main reason: to SAVE FACE or to not LOSE TOO MUCH FACE. The facts are the Broncos rushing attack dominated both teams and really embarrassed the defenses and therefore the coaches of the Raiders and the Chiefs as well. Both the Raiders and the Chiefs looked ill-prepared for what the Broncos threw at them and were completely embarrassed in a football sense.

    Has the thought crossed your mind over the last couple of weeks why no beat writer or reporter has asked these coaches why the Broncos had succeeded to gash their defenses by running the ball despite their preparation or to question the coaches to whether they preparation was adequate? Reason why: Because they would then become susceptible to LOSING MORE FACE and imho the writers and reporters have been told by their bosses not to add fuel to the fire and make them look worse than they are already viewed.

    (By the way after the 2011 season both Jackson and Haley both lost their head coaching jobs.)

    Imho, there are many coaches in the NFL who loathe Tim Tebow for this one reason: He exposes their flaws as coaches as no one else can in an unconventional sense and they hate him for causing them to LOSE FACE among their brotherhood of coaches.

    As for opposing defensive football players, they know if the Broncos run all over their defense for huge gains as they did to the Raiders and the Chiefs they will become subject to severe criticism and ridicule as well, become extremely embarrassed and finally LOSE FACE in the fact that they could NOT stop Tebow and the Broncos and have egg all over their face because they lost to a quarterback who is not qualified to be a starter in the NFL according to the pundits and many players.

    Football players have pride. They definitely don’t want to be taken to the woodshed by Tim Tebow and the Denver Broncos. They fear they will become the butt of jokes for years to come. The fear is that they will never be able to live it down and that a loss to Tebow could haunt them and their careers for the rest of their lives. LOSING FACE on a permanent basis is NOT something these players ever want to entertain. Thus players like Darrelle Revis today make comments that the success of the zone option is only temporary, that NFL teams will eventually find a way to stop it in its tracks. But bottom line will the Jets and Revis be able to stop it on Thursday?

    (Tebow and the Broncos beat the Jets and arguably the loss prevented the Jets from having any decent chance to make the 2011 playoffs. An argument can also be made that the Jets team has spiralled out of control since that loss. Prior to the Broncos–Jets game the Jets were 5-4; since that game the Jets are 7-10.)

    • technopeasant

      As conservatives imho, we are extremely naive if we believe that decisions to exclude Sarah Palin from the proverbial poliitical table are based on rational decision-making or consideration rather than admitting that PRESUMPTUOUS ELITISM and the fear of LOSING FACE dominated the thought process or brainstorming behind major political decisions, especially when it comes to the presidential arena.

      This in turn imho goes a hell of a long way to explain CRAVEN EXPEDIENCY.

      And also why the GOP establishment and permanent political class go to great lengths to maintain COLONIAL MENTALITY in which these folks lord over the rank and file and manipulate them like a puppet master. 

    • virginiagentleman1

      I remember Revis saying on NFLchannel that if Tebow ran in his direction, he was going to plant him, teach him a lesson!
      Lo and behold, in the first quarter Tebow pulls the ball down and heads around the right side of his line, near the sideline. Revis sets up to deleiver a crushing shot on Tebow.
      Instead of running out of bounds, the safe thing for Tebow to do,  Tebow sees the shot coming, lowers his shoulder, changes course slightly TOWARDS Revis, hits him, knocking Revis a$$ over teakettle and continues on for more yardage. Revis remains on the ground, dazed!
      I guess Tim wanted to teach a lesson of his own!  Tebow- 1 / Revis- 0 !

      • http://www.solitudebooks.com/ Dan C

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlgMvml3v8o

        during the game winning drive!

        • virginiagentleman1

          Thanks for the vid, Dan! Just goes to show how my mind plays tricks with my memories these days! I coulda sworn it was in the 1st! VG

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