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The Hill: Jeb Bush Considering 2016 Run





The Hill is reporting that supporters of Jeb Bush are claiming he’s already considering a presidential run.

Jeb Bush, brother and son of former Bush presidents, is said to be mulling a presidential run in 2016, according to the New York Times.

The Times cites Bush supporters and friends in its report that the former Florida governor is "weighing financial and family considerations" for a future run.

Though Bush remains popular in Florida and has garnered national attention with his support for immigration and education reform, there is lingering concern that the persistent unpopularity of the last Bush to hold the White House, his brother President George W. Bush, could hinder his bid.

So let’s take this into consideration for a moment.  When George W. Bush left office, he left behind an added four trillion dollars to our national debt.  He increased entitlements more than any Democrat had in recent history.  He had the lowest — the absolute lowest approval rating ever for a President in history.

The establishment shrieks at the talk of various conservatives who proclaim that Governor Palin should highly consider jumping back into the mix to shake things up.  They cite left-wing talking points, lies, distortions about her record, and encourage the rest of us to lose our backbones.

But in all seriousness, if we thought Romney crashed and burned, what do you think will happen if we run another Bush for President?

If Jeb Bush even thinks of entering the race, you can rest assured that the establishment will back him.  We need some strong Tea to counter it.  Nobody — not the Bush family, not the Romneys, not the Huckabees, or McCains are entitled to be President.

I will await the liberals on MSNBC to begin telling us how worried they will be at facing down Jeb in 2016 while begging us to run Governor Palin since she’d be so easy to beat.  But while they’re screaming it from the rooftops, just remember they said the same thing when Romney was forced on us, too.

 



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  • palin45potus

    I can just see Karl Rove waving a piece of paper that is an agreement from the Dems that if the GOP will just throw Sarah Palin under the bus, and nominate JEB with no questions asked, then they will play nice.

    "Peace in our time!!"

  • cuatrocinco45

    Jeb Bush running in 2016 would actually be the bets thing that could happen for the GOP.  Hear me out.

    If you ask me one of the main reasons Obama won in 2008 and again this year was because of the how bad W was and voters’ memories of him.  Obama basically won two elections on the platform that "I’m not Bush, and he is".  In 2008 it was direct as we heard McCain was more of the same and voted with Bush 95% of the time.  In 2012 they still used the Romney as Bush theme and it worked.

    I posted on here many times how Romney blew it by not distancing himself from W.  He needed to explicitly and openly repudiate him.  He never did and in fact he enbraced the ndorsem3ents of Bush41 and Jeb and even W.  Imagine if when W endorsed him Romney publically rejected it and gave a speech explaining why and how bad a President Bush was and how he’ll be different.  Would have ended the dems’ Romney=Bush strategy instantly.  Oh well.

    Anyway, Jeb running in 2016 would be the perfect chance for the party to finally move beyond the Bush family.  Whoever beats Jeb for the nomination, and someone will because it won’t be Jeb, that person will be immune to charges that they’re just more of the same, that they’re the same as Bush.

    It’d be tough to claim that say Gov Palin, or Rubio, or Christie or Santorum, or whoever is another after they just ran a whole campaign against Bush and the Bush dynasty and Rove and the GOP/beltway establishment and everything they stand for.  By beating Jeb, the 2016 nominee will be their own woman(fingers crossed) and will have ended the Bush grip on the party.  They will have finally slayed the dragon, blown up the death star, shattered all the horcuxes, delivered the ring to Mt Doom, whatever analogy you want to use.  Beating Jeb is the best way to do that. 

    I hope he does run.

    • Freempg

      Hold on c45 … You are presupposing that Rubio, Christie et al would be legitimately running as opposed to allowing themselves to be used to take up slots and to split the vote in ways beneficial to Jeb. A lot of us thought that’s what Bachmann and Perry were doing, as it turned out they were simlpy over-reaching opportunist, but had the desired effect nonetheless. Don’t put it passed the GOPe to do whatever it takes to nominate their man.

      • alien4palin

        "Don’t put it passed the GOPe to do whatever it takes to nominate their man."

        I agree but it isn’t the first time and won’t be last unless We the People or someone put a stop to it. What both parties have been doing for a long, long time is mass ABUSE. We know the remedy for abuse is for right thinking people to break the cycle. Until then, the abuse will continue.

    • Laddie_Blah_Blah

      Agreed.  The best way to distance herself from the GOPe is to beat them, head-on.  But the 2014 mid-terms come first, and that is her chance to tell the world who the real conservatives are, and who they follow.  Beat the Dems in 2014, and then the GOPe in 2016.  That will leave no doubt as to whom the people want, and whom they view as their only legitimate national leader. Party affiliation is immaterial.  Both parties are cut from the same cloth, representing different factions of the same big government, crony corporatist cabal.

      Sarah would have a field day ripping them both, while offering the only alternative to business as usual.  She owes them nothing.  They would not even give her a speaking gig at "their" convention.  It is time to toss the GOPe into the dustbin of history, where it belongs, where all the other failed, spent, apparatchik ciphers go to moulder into the corruption which defines their existence and the moribund party they have destroyed from within.

      Jeb Bush would be the ideal GOPe foil for Sarah to redefine America’s future in a new image.  There is no one else in the party who could, and the party will do everything they can to stop her from doing it.  They could stop her, but only if she continues to play the game by their rules, and with their referees making the calls from the sidelines.  That game is rigged and those referees have already sold out.  She can’t win in that venue, so she must change the game, redefine the boundaries, and go over their heads.  The people are still sovereign in this country, and its about time we showed it.  

      • goldenprez

         Laddie_Blah_Blah … Now you’re talking!

        Love it, Mac … just love it!

        Just as in the old adage … "Great minds run in the same gutter." (That’s a joke, son.)

        Now, let’s get some ideas on the table for defeating the monolithic establishment and its Ministry of Propaganda.

        Throw them all out! The status quo must go!

        Believe none of what you hear, and only half of what you see.

        Illegitimi non carborundum.

        Barracudas Maximus.

        • Laddie_Blah_Blah

          The Tea Party is already primed and ready for 2014.  Most of ‘em "would crawl over broken glass on their bare knees to put Sarah in the White House" in 2016, and nearly all of them are sick unto death of GOPe business as usual.  They have done yeoman work putting conservatives in Congress, and will do so, again, in the 2014 mid-terms, with Sarah as their de facto leader.

          Her name could be placed in nomination in the GOP primaries, but she could run her own campaign at the grass roots level, leveraging Tea Party activism into a national movement. She could change the game by making her own campaign rules. The Tea Party could petition the states for their own slate of primary candidates, with Sarah as their pre-eminent and presumptive presidential nominee.  

          She would be the Tea Party nominee regardless of the GOP primary results, and could end up as the nominee of both parties.  Both conservative GOP candidates and Tea Party candidates would fight for her endorsement, with those getting it more likely to win than not.  There is no seal of approval in American politics now with more potency than an endorsement from Sarah Palin.  Her Tea Party army would be fleshed out with lieutenants, majors, colonels and generals who would be running along with her as natural political allies.

          She would be a force to reckon with, and could change the face of American politics like no one since the founders of the GOP and the emancipation movement.  She is the only one who could do it.

          It really is up to her, though, to make the commitment.  If she chooses to do it, 2016 would be a landmark year in the history of the USA.  Jeb Bush would, unwittingly, open that door and she could walk right through it before he knew what hit him.  Bush would have the money and the largely discredited GOPe behind him.  It would be a battle royal.  For once, the media would support the GOP establishment guy, which would play into Sarah’s hands by under-mining Bush’s credibility.  

          Sarah would insist on making it an issues-driven contest.  On substance, she wins.  On authenticity, she wins.  On charisma – are you kidding?  The historical significance of a woman leading a political revolution, in itself, would be doubly transformational.

          That is asking a lot from a hockey mom from Wasilla.  I think she could do it.  For sure, there is no one else in sight who could.

          • dmac8889

            LBB, please explain?  Are you suggesting Sarah run in the Republican Primaries against Bush?  She could never win.  Sarah needs to go 3rd Party or forget any chance of getting into the general election.  Republican members will protect their Party first (for social reasons) before they would consider someone they prefer outside the Party.

            If Sarah ran as a TEA PARTY 3rd Party, the TEA Party better have their registration rules in order and their registrants on board very fast.  That won’t happen unless Sarah announces she is running for President on the TEA Party ticket in a few weeks.  As soon as she does she will be eliminated from speaking on TV and there will be a blitz of negative news coming her way.  How can she overcome this blitz when there are no TEA Party representatives on TV speaking up for her.  It is believed by all VOICES in the media that Conservatism was defeated this election cycle.  Now of course that isn’t necessarily true (not enough of us came out to vote), but Sarah will never be able to break through the negativity resounding in waves against her.Did you see the McCain interview on FoxNews Sunday?  McCain never stepped up to defend her when it was most important to do so (starting four years ago), so Sarah needs to start at the level of Senator, or accept that her next run for President will fall short and she can gain a better image for future contests.   

            • Laddie_Blah_Blah

              Here we are only 3 weeks removed from the 2012 GOPe RINO implosion, and you are ready to concede the 2016 GOP nomination to Jeb Bush?  Without a fight?

              Get ready to lose, again.

              • dmac8889

                Not meaning to be a pessimist, only recognize what Sarah faces.  Unless she takes to the cities and comes out of the box in the next year attempting to win over minorities, the GOP will simply flatten her.  If she can get Urban support the RIGHT Media won’t touch her, without it, she needs to find some place to be a Senator.  I will support Sarah the second she moves to put her foot to the pavement the way I have always done, however, I won’t delude myself.  The Infrastructure of the GOP cannot be beat, as long as they believe they are what Americans are looking for, and they believe they are the better choice than the TEA Party.

                • Laddie_Blah_Blah

                  "Not meaning to be a pessimist, only recognize what Sarah faces."

                  Good thing you weren’t with Washington when he crossed the Delaware in the middle of the night, in the frigid cold, risking his small Continental army in the process.  Good thing you weren’t with the Marines on Guadalcanal when they were cut off from all resupply and relief and left entirely on their own to face a Japanese force which had never before been defeated in battle.  Good thing you did not have to endure a forced march of 50 miles over frozen country roads in the dead of winter to relieve Bastogne, and then immediately launch an attack when you got there.

                  What Sarah faces is easy compared to any of that.  And each and every instance of overcoming much longer odds ended in success.  If you don’t even get in the game, you cannot win.

                  "I will support Sarah the second she moves to put her foot to the pavement the way I have always done, however, I won’t delude myself."

                  If you think the GOPe can be defeated by watching from the sidelines, or from the floor of the Senate, where she would really be marginalized, then you really are deluding yourself.

                  "The Infrastructure of the GOP cannot be beat, as long as they believe they are what Americans are looking for, and they believe they are the better choice than the TEA Party."

                  Really!  Tell that to Ted Cruz, or Deb Fisher, or Rand Paul, or Sarah Palin, for that matter, all of whom defeated the GOP establishment.  If Reagan were still alive, you could tell him, too.  He not only defeated the GOP establishment, he wiped the floor with Thurston Howell III, AKA Bush 41, in the process.

  • conservativemama

    Gross.

  • IndieDogg

    Speaking of MSNBC and the 2016 race….

    If Sarah Palin runs for President in 2016, Chris Matthews is going to have to wear "Depends" on set because he will literally piss his pants on a nightly basis. Call it the Anti-Tingle.

    • patnatasha

      that is just gross and who knows he probably already wears depends anyway.

    • conservativemama

      More than piss……………………..I’m thinking #2 as well.   GROSS!!

      • Freempg

        Is IndieDogg really Seamus?

    • mymati

      So anti-tingle up your leg is tinkle down your leg, right?

  • goldenprez

    I am shocked. Shocked.

    Anyone who doesn’t yet understand that Jeb Bush is going to be the GOPe nominee in 2016, was not paying attention 2 years ago when I explained that Willard Romney was going to be the GOPe nominee in 2012. 

    There is no one in the GOPe who can run against Jeb Bush. No one can raise the money that will flow into the Jeb Bush coffers. Just as no one had a chance to "out-raise" Mr. Romney.

    The phony-baloney, good time rock and roll GOPe conservatives (yes, such as Newt Gingrich and Rick Perry, et al), are no more conservative than any other Big Government advocates. They think government is the answer just as much as the other GOPe stalwarts. Great lip service, but they do not fool the real conservatives.

    There is only one possible candidate for President who is not owned, lock-stock-and barrel, by the Government Party. There is only one possible candidate who represents, and connects with We The People, across Party lines. There is only one possible candidate who represents Freedom.

    There is only one possible candidate who has shown the willingness to fight "against the establishment." Only one possible candidate who has said, "The status quo must go!"

    No, it is not Allen West, who voted with the GOP establishment more than he voted with the real House conservatives. Just compare his voting record to that of Jim Jordan.

    It is up to We The People to put that candidate on the ballot in all 50 states.

    No bullshit primaries to drain the finances and energies of that candidate. Put that candidate in a position to campaign directly to We The People, and surround that candidate with statewide candidates for Senate and House who all actually believe in the constitution, and Freedom for We The People. Who all believe that government is "the problem," not "the solution."

    Freedom lovers unite!

    It is time to kick the GOPe and their minions, and their hangdog rich, power hungry, elitist, statist, crony capitalists to the curb. Until we renounce the GOPe once and for all they will continue to "screw it all up," and then blame us for their monumental failures.

    The status quo must go.

    Believe none of what you hear, and only half of what you see.

    Illegitimi non carborundum.

    Barracudas Maximus.

    • alien4palin

       Very well said!!! Greetings gp!!!

      • goldenprez

         alien4palin … I ‘ppreciate it! And greetings to you!

        Further down I wrote quite a bit more. Mostly in reply to Isabel Matos.

        I think you might find some of the things I wrote "constructive." I believe we have to start actively seeking solutions to the monolithic establishment problem. I believe that, if we begin to generate dynamic approaches to the problem, leaders such as Mrs. Palin will step forward to carry the load.

        But we are going to have to convince Mrs. Palin, and others, that we are serious, and we will back them up 100%.

        We must also recognize that the Rush Limbaughs and Sean Hannitys are quite comfortable as Stockholm Syndrome hostages of the establishment Ministry of Propaganda. The only one who seems to be uncomfortable is Mark Levin. He is leaning toward us. Will he go "all the way?"

        Or better yet, what will it take to make him "go all the way?"

        Throw them all out. The status quo must go.

        Believe none of what you hear, and only half of what you see.

        Illegitimi non carborundum.

        Barracudas Maximus.

        • alien4palin

           gp, I wrote a 3 paragraph response to you but unfortunately it appeared to have disappeared after I posted it. Humbug!!! I have taken forever to write 3 paragraphs with my left hand. Being right-handed, sadly, it is completely out of commission after surgery. Routinely save it before I post but finding it too difficult with my left hand (screamed)

          • goldenprez

             alien4palin … Sorry to hear about your right hand.

            Hope the surgery was successful and you will regain full use in the immediate future.

            I certainly understand the frustrations of dealing with disqus, even when one has full use of both hands.

            I might suggest that you attempt to reply to whichever post you had designated for that. Sometimes disqus actually saves your reply in "the box." When you attempt a second reply, sometimes your original message appears in the box, having not been deleted.

            Secondarily, you might try going into your disqus account. You might find the reply there even though it did not appear here.

            Just a couple of suggestions that might result in retrieval.

            When one has learned to type, and has been typing for many years, it is difficult to become a "hunt and pecker."

            I assume you were responding with some ideas for neutralizing the establishment Ministry of Propaganda. I would have definitely wanted to see those.

            Throw them all out! The status quo must go!

            Believe none of what you hear, and only half of what you see.

            Illegitimi on carborundum.

            Barracudas Maximus.

            • alien4palin

               gp, thanks for the tips but unfortunately no luck retrieving it. to make it easier for myself i will be typing lower case. suffering from severe carpel tunnel syndrome on both hands since the beginning of the year. carpel tunnel release surgery done this past tuesday on the right hand. being more severe of the 2. Wheel of medicine turning very,very slow. known success rate of 98% of full recovery.

              The gist of the lost response:

              "I have read pretty much read all your comments in the past years and have always shared your view points about the fate of America’s future. i have never been tolerant of my fellow human beings getting and allowing highly charged emotion gets in the way of resolving problems that truly matters in life. now that i am an old lady, i have almost zero tolerance.

              I am always of the opinion during and after election 2008 that the solution lies with we the people and Sarah Palin. the future for America looks bleak until the appearance of a truly exceptional leader, Sarah Palin that America desperately needs since President Reagan. i think Sarah had worked extremely hard in the past 4 years to inform and educate we, the people on politics 101 in preparation for 2010 and 2012.

              I have lost faith with the 2 existing parties since R. Reagan.They are corrupted past the point of redemption long time ago.we cannot keep doing the same thing over and over again and expect a different result. illogical and unrealistic expectation that equate to zero sums. stuck in the permanent loop and more of the same status quo.

              In our system of government today, we, the people is the most important check & balance. we, the people can change America for better or worse. all things being equal in a fair & balanced world, the people’s votes is the ultimate deciding factor. We,the people desperately need awakening and education on politics 101 for the system to work for common good. The Founding Fathers did not take into account that over time that every person attaining the age of 18 is eligible to vote without basic knowledge or understanding how the system works."

              The SOLUTION for the brighter future of America lies solely with we,the people in unity and Sarah Palin as the leader. that is the only way the status quo can be destroyed and real lasting reformation & restoration of America can truly begin.

              We, the people must be each others keepers, spread the true message of conservative values far & wide in America, dialogue and educate our fellow citizens. This is what Sarah Palin had been doing and encouraging her fellow Americans to do same in the past 4 years. there is 4 years till 2016, let the REAL conversation and debates begins. Let there be millions of Sarahs spreading the truth and the most important message of our time. There are many more Americans living their lives based on Conservative values but didn’t know it.

              The door was open in 2012 for Sarah Palin but the time and odds just weren’t there. She was fighting 2 wars simultaneously, never mind finding the time to run a campaign. Most importantly, we, the people are not ready to guarantee a winning outcome.

            • alien4palin

              "I assume you were responding with some ideas for neutralizing the
              establishment Ministry of Propaganda. I would have definitely wanted to
              see those."

              Sarah Palin, The Tea Party and Organize for Palin provided very successful Templates. They work from the grassroot level (bottom up) that is where the base, the target audience is. They are the ones who are needed to neutralize M of P and the establishment
              Citizens Media. To counter the Establishment Ministry of Propaganda. We the people need our own Citizens Ministry of Truth and Facts Checker.

              Active boycott
              Active in State & local level media & radio stations. Topic: all things on Conservative Values in layman language, true State of the Nation’s affairs. counter the lies etc………..

              • goldenprez

                . alien4palin … As Herman Cain so aptly put it, in order to solve the problem, the first step is to identify the problem … the "right" problem.

                The problem is not reaching the base. The problem is reaching all those people who get their information from the Ministry of Propaganda. In other words, daily newspapers, daily broadcast television news on ABC, CBS, and NBC, and mass television programming, such as prime time tv shows, the late night talkers, and the daytime talkers.

                Cable television, for the most part, reaches only the "choir." The internet does not reach any substantial audience. Conservative radio talk shows also reach, at best, 10 million people per week. These three outlets are dominated by conservatives. The listening audience is predominantly conservative. It is everyone else that needs to be "reached."

                First, the daily newspapers. Even though this is a dying business, the local daily newspapers are still being read by a majority of the people. The leftist disinformation, or purposeful omission of correct information, by these outlets has to be addressed. Not just on the editorial pages, which are not read by the everyday people buying these newspapers. The real problem is that they are putting their leftist spin on the actual stories being written and passed off as news.

                Even though it is a dying business, and will be a money-losing proposition, competing newspapers will have to be started. Not just obviously conservative newspapers such as the Washington Times, but primarily tabloids. The same type of yellow journalism, but with a conservative message, must be employed to capture the audience. The conservative message must be subliminal, just as the leftist message in the existing newspapers.

                Conservative backers must be found to fund these operations. They have to understand that they are not going to back this for profit, but to counter the leftist message on a local level. If enough of the mass audience can be drawn away from the leftist local newspapers, the neutralizing will be successful.

                Second, late night and daytime talkers. Again, competing programs of similar nature, but with a conservative leaning must be brought into existence. There are many television stations in the top 50 markets that are not affiliated with the Big 3. They would be very willing to sell the programming time to a company that would produce the show and give it to them on a "barter basis." This means splitting the commercial minutes with the local affiliate in each market. This is exactly how the conservative talk radio shows operate. It is called syndication.

                These are just two ideas out of many. Space is too limited here to address all the other specifics that I mention above as being part of the problem. But this will give you a good idea of the type of thinking that is necessary to neutralize the Ministry of Propaganda.

                Throw them all out! The status quo must go!

                Believe none of what you hear, and only half of what you see.

                Illegitimi non carborundum.

                Barracudas Maximus.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         

                • SuperRoadrunner

                  Goldenprez, your comments are well taken. However, the media for information transfer have to be very carefully chosen. Newspapers are usually read by the older generation, and it is pretty hard to teach old dogs new tricks. What the conservative movement needs is new blood, in the 18-30 year range. Employ the channels used by these youngsters.Very few listen to talk radio, and not that many watch TV news programs. But most that we know are plugged into hip-hop, hard rock or some jungle drums.

                  The messages have to be relatively short and not very complicated, because even some of the college educated geniuses have trouble understanding econ 101. Hit it close to home and it usually sinks in…

                  • goldenprez

                     SuperRoadrunner …Let’s just grant that you are correct about the 18-30 year range.

                    What is your solution?

                    There is more than one problem involved in neutralizing the Ministry of Propaganda. Above I have pointed out 2 areas. I then offered solutions in those areas.

                    You are pointing out another area. Without offering any solutions. It is not the pointing out areas that obviously require solutions that is important. It is the solutions that are important.

                    So, let’s hear your solution(s).

                    Throw them all out! The status quo must go!

                    Believe none of what you hear, and only half of what you see.

                    Illegitimi non carborundum.

                    Barracudas Maximus.

    • http://teamsarah.ning.com/profile/HymanRoth Hyman Roth

      THANK YOU for noting the truth about Allen West.  The guy was a Boehner tool and I’m glad to see him gone.

      • goldenprez

         Hyman … Glad to see you are still around.

        You have been one of the true voices of conservatism here, and one of the staunchest of Sarah Palin supporters. I know, and can identify with how difficult and frustrating it is to try and get "through" to way too many here.

        Yes, facts are stubborn things. While Mr. West is a personal favorite of Mrs. Palin, let’s remember that she also endorsed John McLame and Orrin Hatch. No one can question my support of Mrs. Palin, but no one is right 100% of the time.

        When she said that Mr. West would be a good VP choice for Mr. Romney, she also said that she would "prefer" to see someone not in politics, such as Thomas Sowell. Even though he is "ninety-leventy" years old, I would take Sowell over West in a New York minute.

        I am not, as you have noted, a fan of Mr. West. In the beginning, I was behind Mr. West. And then the Congressional voting began. I followed, very closely, Mr. West’s votes. Unfortunately, most conservatives listened to what Mr. West said, but did not dig to find out what he actually did.

        They were taken in by his "political shell game."

        Throw them all out! The status quo must go!

        Believe none of what you hear, and only half of what you see.

        Illegitimi non carborundum.

        Barracudas Maximus.

    • Christopher H Fromme

      Jim Jordan did a great job running the Republican Study Group and for his effort Boehner gave him the boot  So being a conservative in congress is not a good thing if you want to move up the food chain.

      • goldenprez

         Christopher … The congressional, and GOP, "food chain" is the problem.

        In order to succeed, we are going to need some "real time," "out-of-the-box" solutions to that problem.

        Throw them all out! The status quo must go!

        Believe none of what you hear, and only half of what you see.

        Illegitimi non carborundum.

        Barracudas Maximus.

        • momofsons

           We must unite the classical liberals, libertarians and Christians.  Classical liberals will have to understand capitalism, libertarians are going to have to give up the isolationist foreign policy and Christians will have to leave decisions about abortion and homosexual marriage to the states. If these three groups can come together the PPC doesn’t stand a chance.  Why do you think they make such a big deal of these wedge issues on both sides of the isle.  They cannot have us actually coming together.  This is why they fear Gov. Palin.  She is a populist, states rights, Christian.  Their worst nightmare. 

          • goldenprez

             mom … Your description of Mrs. Palin is correct.

            Allow me to point out that there is no such thing as "single issue" voters. The point being that, constitutionally, the federal government has no business whatsoever in being involved in any of the issues that you cite. I pointed out, somewhere below, that the exit polls clearly stated that well over 60% of all voters thought the federal government was doing too much.

            Historically, voters have not voted "against" things or persons. They have voted "for" things. Unlike Mr. Romney, and the establishment Government Party, Mrs. Palin spent the last 2 years speaking about things that needed to be done to restore America to its former greatness.

            She was very explicit. Virtually everything she noted was designed to take actions that would get the federal government out of our lives and restore our freedom. All things that could have been voted "for," had anyone actually wanted to espouse a "positive" message.

            There is an old football adage, "Playing ‘not to lose’ guarantees that you will lose. You have to play ‘to win.’ That’s the only way to win."

            Throw them all out! The status quo must go!

            Believe none of what you hear, and only half of what you see.

            Illegitimi non carborundum.

            Barracudas Maximus.

  • patnatasha

    No More Freaking Bushes already please!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/IsabelM.Matos Isabel Matos

    He is already in IOWA!!

    This from a friend I know there:  "Jeb Bush is out here in Iowa, last week he hit western Iowa, Republican strongholds in Sioiux City, he has sent signals he is running."

    I also know from local television where I live.  He is definitely running.

    • patnatasha

      does he really think people want another bush.

      • http://www.facebook.com/IsabelM.Matos Isabel Matos

        Does he need to care about being popular?  No.  He’s not seeking the people’s vote. He’s just seeking the sheeple’s vote (the Latinos).  It’s deplorable the pandering that is already going on, AND delusional. Latinos have left the party big time! I wrote about this here all week. We are stuck in the mud. The party is dense and doesn’t want to change the way they think. It’s a huge problem.

        WHAT to do?

        • goldenprez

           Isabel Matos … What to do?

          See above …

          The status quo must go.

          Believe none of what you hear and only half of what you see.

          Illegitimi non carborundum.

          Barracudas Maximus.

          • http://www.facebook.com/IsabelM.Matos Isabel Matos

            I had already pressed LIKE on your post (below lOl) and I agree, but it isn’t easy! 

            The GOP IS BUSH, Inc. and the family is powerful.  Add to that GOP voters who are just as dense and rigid in their way of thinking as the leadership is.   

            • goldenprez

               Isabel Matos … Forget the GOP. They are just as elitist and statist as that other Government Party.

              I have been trying to teach this lesson on this site for over 2 years. Even with the complete disrespect shown conservatives in general, and Mrs. Palin in particular, by the GOP in this last election cycle, there are still way too many here who don’t "get it."

              It is not going to be easy, by any stretch of the imagination, to overthrow the existing establishment Government Party. There is no such thing any longer as "Republicans" or "Democ-rats." Their goals are exactly the same.

              The real delineation is "conservatives" and "non-conservatives." As long as you buy into the Republican Party as a real entity of contrast you are falling for the bushwah (pun intended). Not thinking "out of the box" is the same as being dense and rigid.

              It doesn’t matter what the GOP does. They do not represent the conservative base. They take that base for granted, because they believe that the base has nowhere else to go. If the base deserts them they are the walking dead.

              Once their power is diluted to the point of their being irrelevant, they will join the Democ-rat Party, where they actually belong.

              Conservatives Unite!

              Throw them all out! The status quo must go!

              Believe none of what you hear, and only half of what you see.

              Illegitimi non carborundum.

              Barracudas Maximus.

              • http://www.facebook.com/IsabelM.Matos Isabel Matos

                Well, I get what you are saying.  And I think most people here get what is happening, too. At least the ones I have talked to.

                I am just  trying to make a specific point, not a general one about both parties. I am not sharing a grandiose plan that I cannot understand.  I try to be a problem-solver and part of that is identifying the issue and asking what to do next.  I don’t know what needs to be done which is why I am asking. All I know is that it isn’t going to be easy whatever it is. 

                I do know that the Bushes used to be a nice family, that Bush 43 is a decent person and so is his wife.  But power corrupts even the best among us.  41 and wife are the worst.  For them this is no longer about the country, but about the family legacy and resume which they would like to see complete:  BUsh 1, 2 and 3.  They are he** bent on getting what they wish for.  They have waited their turn, etc.  There is nothing or no one who is going to take that away from them, even if it means destroying someone else, which they have proven to be ruthless about in the past.

                It would be a tremendous, epic upset if a people’s candidate and the people themselves would unite against the establishment.  That’s what I am hoping for, but take a walk outside of C4P where you preach to the choir, and talk to people you know ~ your family maybe, close friends ~ and share your thoughts about are afraid or don’t know how to EFFECT change. See how they react.

                I am all about GOP reform, but we have to identify the problem.  In my eyes, it is one family who will not let go of the power they have and the forces behind that family who allow them to stay on.  There has been a trade off at some point, I believe, and they have sold us out. 

                Since George H.W. Bush we have not had a Republican President without BUsh last name.  It is what it is.  They have at their disposal the GOP machine to do whatever they want, including destroying Sarah, her good name and alienating us, the base.  They have gone to great lengths to prove it. JeB is not the brightest bulb in thinking he has the answers, especially with immigration reform (as IF that is going to solve our problems) but the people love him and who are too gullible to see the truth, are ready to follow him. WE have a problem in the GOP with GOP voters.

                JeB is acting like this is an entitlement and that’s that. I have not much more to say. WE have to find VOTERS who are willing to try something new and recruit them to this movement. That TAKES TIME.

                Thanks for reading.

                • palin45potus

                  Isabel,

                  If I want to email you, where should I send it?

                  Can I use your Blog?

                  • http://www.facebook.com/IsabelM.Matos Isabel Matos

                    You can post it under the most recent post, yes.  That would be fine.

                  • palin45potus

                    I am trying to contact you while maintaining anonymity.

                    (The SPeppers issue explains much)

                • goldenprez

                   Isabel Matos … I do understand where you are coming from.

                  The Government Party, replete with its establishment Ministry of Propaganda, is monolithic and formidable. Any hope, or concept, of changing it "from the inside" is a "fool’s errand." Jeb Bush is going to be one-half of the Government Party tandem in 2016. This has been clear as crystal (Kristol) since immediately after the 2010 election cycle.

                  You are quite right about the task before us. That is why, in a few previous posts I suggested that people put on their thinking caps and start throwing ideas into the pot toward putting the skids under the entire "establishment."

                  So far, no one has offered up "idea # 1." Personally, I find the incessant wailing, bitching, and moaning about the GOP, and the constant bleating about finding the "right" candidates therein, boring and counterproductive. I believe that this is the equivalent of "spinning our wheels in the mud."

                  It is, indeed, time for a new Freedom Party. A Party with ideas to defeat the existing establishment structure. Yes, it is going to be a monumental task, and we will not be able to reverse 100 years in a matter of months.

                  There are potential leaders out there. Most prominent, of course, is Mrs. Palin. However, if we are going to galvanize her, and them, into action, we need to start spit-balling ideas now!

                  I have a number of ideas. I am waiting for the discussion to begin. So far, the discussion continues to center around the GOP. The GOP is not a "new" idea. In fact, it is an old, tired, worn out idea whose time passed long ago.

                  You state that you approach things as a problem solver. Excellent. I would love to have a discussion with you, and other problem solvers, defining the "problems," and hearing what solutions may be offered. I would love to hear from people like Mr. L in this regard. I would love to hear from Mark Levin in this regard. I would love to hear from anyone who is "thinking outside the box."

                  Let’s put some ideas on the table to defeat the monolithic establishment and begin working on them, taking action, right now.

                  Throw them all out. The status quo must go.

                  Believe none of what you hear, and only half of what you see.

                  Illegitimi non carborundum.

                  Barracudas Maximus.

    • Freempg

      Iowa itself is a cesspool of corruption for its utter dependency on largesse extracted from the insipid idiot politicians currying favor for the Hackeye cauci with inane energy and farming schemes like ethanol (which Al Gore even denounced as good politics but not good policy) and massively subsidized, inefficient behomoth windmills which scar the skyscape.

      • http://www.facebook.com/IsabelM.Matos Isabel Matos

        It COULD be a nice place for people to gather and support candidates who are genuine and actually concerned about real reform and policies that resonate with ordinary Americans.

      • blueniner

        The only thing good about Iowa is…………the American Pickers……Mike and Frank, and Danille….LOL……

  • CharterOakie

    Jeb considering.  Wow, really??  Who’d a thunk it?!  Startling revelation!!  

    No.more.shrubs.  And no.more.establishment.puppets.  

  • AngelaTX

    Sarah Palin NEEDS to do whatever it takes to prevent the Bush dynasty from continuing. Including running herself in 2016. I guarantee the base would choose her over another Bush family member.

    Run, Sarah!

  • momprayn

    Agree with GOLDENPREZ.  I’ve posted on here several times since the election that she should run BUT it wouldn’t be as a Repub. – it would have to be Third Party.  I still see too many comments about why we lost the election – in my view, it was STOLEN.  Unless we solve the problem of getting those machines free from the corrupt software that flips votes (& voter ID problems) - forget everything.  It’s all for naught.  Repubs. agreed to a "consent" to not help prevent voter fraud in 1982 .  Plus they won’t if they could b/c it would point back to THEM as they committed fraud in the past also.   Only a third party could and would attempt that.  As I see it, that is our largest challenge and top priority.  There will be vicious, all out attempts to thwart that !!!.  If we conquer that however, then  we need to go Third Party with Sarah hopefully b/c GOP will NEVER nominate a Consv. and there are the powerful "powers that be" that commit fraud, give money,   threaten, etc. to get it done.   That’s how Romney won.   It will happen again with Jeb and/or Rubio.     They have already been chosen many years ago by the Elites.   
    That was predicted by "those in the know" that Jeb Bush was the one in "line" for the Bush Dynasty to continue.   And here it is.   IF we survive and have elections, they will be STOLEN as planned if we don’t stop that first.  And…as everything like this, it will take Divine intervention to accomplish.  
    I’m sure Sarah is thinking about it and I heard the reason she didn’t run this time was b/c she was threatened.   If she truly thinks God wants her to and has some kind of definite spiritual urging – she will have to step out in faith like David and Esther did – and have God protect her and family b/c they WILL be stalked &  "Breitbarted" if not protected by God.  

    • goldenprez

       momprayn … Thank you for the backup.

      Whatever you "heard" about why Mrs. Palin did not run is unfounded rumor. Let us examine the concrete reasons why a run for the GOP nomination was a "fool’s errand."

      1 – Money. To run in the primaries, tons of cash are required. All of this cash is totally wasted running against people from your own Party. And, if you should win the nomination, you have to start raising money all over again for the general election.

      2 – All the while these time-consuming, energy-consuming exercises in futility are going on, for almost a full year, time is spent giving the real enemy ammunition and sound-bites against whoever wins. In the meantime, the real enemy is going unscathed and untouched.

      3 – Even had Mrs. Palin managed to wrest the amount of delegates needed for victory, the deck is so stacked at the convention that there is no way to "make" the delegates vote for her. Rules? The Rules Committee changed the rules during the convention. There was no way the GOPe was going to allow Mrs. Palin to run as the GOP nominee for President.

      4 – If you thought the attack by the GOPe against Mrs. Palin was coarse, just multiply by 100,000 if she had tried for the GOPe nomination.

      5 – Mrs. Palin was smart enough to understand that the GOPe hates conservatives in general, and Mrs. Palin specifically.

      The only way Mrs. Palin can win the Presidency is by being put on the ballot in all 50 states by We The People. In the same manner that Ross Perot was placed on the ballot when he ran.

      The status quo must go.

      Believe none of what you hear, and only half of what you see.

      Illegitimi non carborundum.

      Barracudas Maximus.

      • arcman46

         As a voter in Oregon, during the Primaries, I voted for Palin.  We could be a massive block if all us that are Palin supporters would put our money where our mouth is and write her in if she’s not on the ballot

  • heshtesh

    Oh goody the Calvery has arrived!!//

  • RedDaveR

    NO!       No more Bushes!

  • korn8131

    For what it’s worth;  

    I haven’t posted much since the election. The reason being, I wanted to view others take on why the Republican Party lost the election to someone who should have never been reelected. There has been finger pointing by some here a C4P, as well as media political hacks and the GOP at anything and everything but the real culprit. To blame any one person for this loss is not the true assessment of what really happen but an attempt to deflect where the problem lays.

    The Republican Party as a whole over the years has been inundated by RINOs. There lays the problem because a destination cannot be drawn between a Rino and Democrat when it comes to real change. Therefore, the lost lays entirely at the GOP’s feet. These political hacks do not have the interest of this country, let alone it’s common folks.

    Many say that the folks that voted for Obama didn’t have a clue. Really, I don’t look at it that way. As much as I hate what the social progressive have done to my old party (yes I’m an old demo) and this country, it’s not the fault of all the folks that voted for Obama. The fault lay squarely on the GOP, and sadly; they are not capable of understanding what the majority of voters know and want.

    Why did we end up with Obama in the first place? It was his message of Hope and Change. I grant you; it wasn’t what most thought it would be, but still it was about what they wanted, change!

    Why was Ronald Reagan elected in a landslide? Yup, it was Hope and Change from the Carter administration. Reagan was reelected because he gave the people and this country what it needed at the time. Now ask yourself, what has the GOP done since then? Nothing, but help  consolidate the social progressive voting block.  

    This election will  likely be a downer for most folks that seek change.  The year 2016 rolls around with more of the same; the majority of the masses will again be looking for Hope and Change. Therefore, because the social progressive will have failed in delivering, the GOP will be licking its chops, ready to repeat it’s time tested failed plan of attack. The same old talking points being delivered by a first class losing RINO ( Jeb Bush to name one), incapable of delivering on what the masses really want.

    So ask yourself how do we break this vicious cycle? You break it with real Hope and Change by, first of all, changing the delivery apparatus. Someone not associated with the failed two-party system but someone who will take the lead and gives the majority what it so desperately needs and deserves. That person along with a constitutional conservative party will be recognized as a symbol of real Hope and Change!  

    I know there are some naysayers here that will say a third party cann’t win. For those naysayers  I have to ask, when is the last time we have really won with the two-party system?  The answer should be; we haven’t since Ronald Reagan left office.

    A Tea Party Patriot

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1595066875 Rose Ann King

      Your analysis is good and thought provoking, but do we as a country have the time for real change.  Don’t think so. Four, plus four more years of EBTs will kill any resolve the people have to create change.  It will take years to formulate a viable 3rd party who can win control of congress and the presidency; it may even take a small but powerful civil revolution.  Then it will take at least two generations to re-educated the EBT class to look outside of government for their welfare.  It’s not a good future for the USofA.

      • korn8131

        Thanks for the reply Ann. I don’t have much time left myself, and I haven’t seen the change that’s need in fourteen presidential election cycles that I vote in. Will I see this country revert back to what this country was founded on in my remaining years? I doubt it. I don’t have a crystal ball, so I have to base my opinions on the historical track recorded of both parties. If and when we revert back to our limited constitutional government, it will not come from either one of these parties. The country is now divided down the middle with the two-party system, creating a stalemate for real change. In order to break this stalemate it will have to come from an outside force or movement that will unite the majority of electorates. That is a given, in my opinion, and it will happen not too far off in the future, but how long it will take is anyone’s guess.

    • goldenprez

       korn8131 … Glad you are on board.

      Just to help you along. Those who say a "third party" cannot win, are part of the establishment, and spouting the establishment meme trying to scare people with poppycock.

      If it were true, then the establishment would absolutely want a "third party" candidacy. Just as the establishment tells us exactly who they fear, they also tell us exactly what they fear.

      In the most recent survey 40% of the electorate described themselves as conservative. Only 20% described themselves as liberal. And 40% couldn’t figure out what the hell they were.

      40% of the popular vote, in a 3-way race, would be a large enough plurality to win the electoral votes in every state of the union.

      Doesn’t seem like a "long shot" to me.

      Throw them all out! The status quo must go!

      Believe none of what you hear, and only half of what you see.

      Illegitimi non carborundum.

      Barracudas Maximus.

      • korn8131

        Thanks Goldie, Your reply is a great up lift. Your points are spot on. The third party runs in the past were poorly organized and lasted for a short period of time. The movements were driven primarily by personalities who were strictly in it for themselves, unlike the tea party that has evolved into a force to be reckoned with. At this moment in history events have happened that will help galvanize this  movement, in its effort to form a Constitutional Conservative Party! I know it can happen, and the timing is so right. All that is needed is someone like Mark Levin, to light the fire. A Pat Caddell, to blow on it, other talk hosts, to spread the flames and we here at C4P, keep the fire stoked.  We have two years to get to organize before the 2014 election and another two after to get our presidential candidate out front of this movement.  Goldie as you pointed out  "In the most-recent survey 40% of the electorate described themselves as conservative. Only 20% described themselves as liberal. And 40% couldn’t figure out what the hell they are." Between the 40% conservatives and the 40% independents, this could easily transpire into 50 to 60% backing a new party!! A Constitutional Conservative Party would be a magnet for constitutional conservative from either of the two parties. Furthermore, this would put Sarah Palin on notice! Are you in or are you only going to be a cheerleader? Thanks again for the support Goldie!!

        • goldenprez

           korn … The time is more than right, it is absolutely ripe!

          In addition to the percentages of conservative-to-liberal, exit polls from this past election showed that over 60% of the people who voted, from both sides, thought that government "was doing too much." Over 60% craved the government to get out of their lives. This is the absolute basis of constitutional conservatism.

          We all know that Ross Perot was a bit deranged. However, after the debates, before he melted down, he was leading a 3-way race in all polls. Perot was attracting 39% of the vote, Clinton was attracting 34%, and Bush was bringing up the rear with 27%.

          Given that Mrs. Palin has 100 more light years of charisma than Ross Perot, and that she actually represents, and connects with an overwhelming majority of the electorate, and that she is in no way a "rich white guy," I personally do not see how she could possibly lose.

          Now, the important factor is overcoming the establishment Ministry of Propaganda – both sides.

          I have a number of ideas in this regard, all of which would be "thinking outside the box." This, of course, is something Mrs. Palin has done in the past, and has been extremely successful in doing. She has been outspent in every election that she won. The key has been in bringing her message directly to We The People.

          You are incredibly accurate in describing the political landscape as concerns both 2014 and 2016. The upcoming 2014 cycle is the critical time. Freedom Party (my title for the new Party of which we speak) candidates must be backed to the hilt for Senate and House seats in 2014.

          First, this will lay the groundwork for organizing on the state and local levels so necessary to establish a ground game for 2016.

          Second, it begins the process of giving the Freedom Party the recognition required to launch a third-party candidate in 2016.

          Third, it will open a Party line on the ballots of all 50 states.

          Fourth, it will provide a context for Mrs. Palin to travel around the country spreading the gospel, and campaigning at the grassroots.

          Fifth, it will provide an army of elected officials at the seat of power in D.C. who will welcome Mrs. Palin with open arms and back her policies when she is elected.

          And, of course, it accomplishes much more, too detailed to go into in this short space.

          Again, the important factor to win the Presidency is going to be neutralizing the establishment Ministry of Propaganda. I have been trying to get a discussion going here, revolving around ideas to do just that. The response has been pitiful. It has been like shoveling manure against the tide in Louisiana.

          The bulk of what is written and posted on this site is more pissing and moaning about the GOP. It is as though the conservatives here are almost totally victims of Stockholm Syndrome of the Republican Party.

          I would like to hear what ideas you may have for neutralizing the establishment Ministry of Propaganda. Maybe together we can get this discussion going, and get people to start thinking like activists instead of Prisoners Of War.

          Activism is what is going to bring Mrs. Palin off the sidelines.

          Throw them all out! The status quo must go!

          Believe none of what you hear, and only half of what you see.

          Illegitimi non carborundum.

          Barracudas Maximus.
           

          • korn8131

            My friend you are right on target. "Neutralizing the establishment Ministry of Propaganda"? You got me there. I haven’t given it much thought. However, it is something that has to be dealt with.  First thing that comes to mind though, is some how we need to get the word out to any talking head on the radio, TV, the internet, and, etc. I’ll have to give some thought before I can give you an honest opinion.

  • http://profiles.google.com/ajtelles Art Telles

    Paging Sarah Palin…
    Paging Sarah Palin…
    Paging Sarah Palin…

    Run Sarah Run

    Set the pace
    Test the others
    Run the race your way

    Get in it to win it

    Run Sarah Run

    Paging Sarah Palin…

    Art

  • korn8131

    For what it’s worth;  

    If Sarah Palin is serious about making any changes in how we are governed, she might as well write off doing it through the Republican Party. In fact, if this article Jeb Bush 2016 doesn’t cause her to rethink her strategy about change, then nothing will convince her. "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." Albert Einstein’s quote describes what the GOPe’s have been doing for years,  I also believe this quote sums up her dealing with the GOP. I hope she doesn’t waste any more of her time and energy, on them. She needs to move on. Sarah, if serious about change, needs to help organize a movement that will bring about a Constitutional Conservative party ASAP!!

  • korn8131

    For what it’s worth;

    Sarah will never be nominated for president in the Republican Party. The hand writing has been on the wall for everyone to read. The Republican Party is not a true constitutional conservative party and has no intention of becoming one anytime soon.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1595066875 Rose Ann King

    Another Bush?  Really, Really, Really, — that’s all the GOP is offering.  NO WAY!  I’ve been a registered Republican all of my voting life.  The GOP can GO TO HELL.

    Ms. S. Palin, you are steering a course for America.  I don’t believe you will run, but I DO believe you will show us a man/woman who can run and win. 

    Forget the GOP

  • nkthgreek

    Sometimes I get the feeling that these Bushes believe they’re the same One that talked to Moses.

  • DougBrady

    Three words: No. More. Bushes.

    • http://profiles.google.com/ajtelles Art Telles

      Three Words…

      Sarah Louise Palin…

      Paging Sarah Louise Palin…

      Art

    • Freempg

      I remember when the word "bush" was a good thing.

      • blueniner

        LOL….

    • Leroy Whitby

      The Bush family has done as much harm to the United States economy, to the GOP and to the constitutional structure as any in our history. The first Bush ended the Reagan Revolution and ushered in Clinton. The second Bush squandered the first and only time in 50 years that the Republican party had the Presidency, Congress and Senate, and ushered in Obama.

  • friskyness

    Wait a minute, just a few days ago, they were pushing Rubio on us, now this………I don’t think anyone knows what or who they want………they are just throwing around names, because no one wants to deal with the real issues………the media is bored…they will not cover Obama, so they have to find someone/something else.

    • socon

       Rubio’s Jeb’s guy, right?

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