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Are Boehner’s days as Speaker numbered?; Updated: Will Paul Ryan replace Boehner?

Possibly, via Breitbart’s Matthew Boyle:

The Republicans, both conservatives and more establishment members alike, are emboldened after the failure of Boehner’s fiscal cliff “Plan B” on Thursday evening. Dissatisfaction with Boehner is growing in the House Republican conference, but until now there hasn’t been a clear path forward.

Those members and staffers requested anonymity from Breitbart News at this time to prevent retaliation from Boehner similar to what happened to those four members who were purged from their powerful committee assignments a few weeks ago. Their expressed concern is that if Boehner knew who they were, his adverse reaction toward them would be much more brutal than losing committee assignments, such as a primary challenge in 2014 by a leadership-sponsored candidate.

The circulated plan is a comprehensive multi-step process.

According to the plan as drafted, the first step is to re-establish the election of the Speaker of the House by secret ballot, rather than by a public roll call vote. That’s because the members who would oppose Boehner, if there ended up not being enough votes to achieve their desired result or if Boehner scared via threat or coaxed via prize some of the opposition into voting for him, would be sitting ducks for retaliation in the near future.

As one hill staffer considering this path told Breitbart News, the members involved in an unsuccessful coup d’etat would be “toast.”

To establish a secret ballot election for Speaker of the House, one Republican member will need to step forward and introduce a resolution on the House floor on the morning of January 3, 2013, before any other business takes place. Those close to this plan are convinced that a member will step forward and introduce this resolution.

On January 3, the House of Representatives will convene for the first order of business for the 113th Congress. Normally, the first order of business is for the House to elect a Speaker.

But if a member introduces that resolution for a secret ballot, the whole House will vote on that first. That vote will need to have a public roll call, meaning the American people, the press, and Boehner will know who voted which way. Even so, those who are considering this path forward to unseat Boehner know that Boehner and other establishment Republicans can’t legitimately oppose the concept of a secret ballot election for a leader of a political body.

Why’s that? In a 2009 op-ed Boehner himself wrote for U.S. News and World Report, the then House Minority Leader bashed unions for their failure to employ secret ballot elections to protect those voting. Boehner’s op-ed was an attack on the Democrats’ Employee Free Choice Act, also known as “card check” – legislation that would have hurt the sacred concept of elections so badly that, in Boehner’s own words, “it would leave them [workers voting in union elections] open to coercion and intimidation.”

There’s a lot more to Boyle’s piece and you need to read the whole thing. It’s pretty clear to me that it’s time for a change.  But who will the change be? I know who my choice is. In any case, getting rid of Boehner won’t be easy.  Boehner has proven that he’s good at playing the Washington game of intrigue and survival, but his luck has to run out at some point. It might as well be sooner rather than later.

Update: (h/t Charles Bogue) Last night Laura Ingraham was guest host on The O’Reilly Factor. According to her source there’s a movement afoot to replace Boehner with Paul Ryan. I can’t see that happening, but that’s the latest rumor, apparently.

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  • travelingon

    Please Lord.


    "Are his days numbered"??……here’s praying.

    Who’ll be his replacement??….Cantor, Ryan??…{{shivers}}

  • GetWhatYouPayFor

    Sorry but I have great confidence in the treachery of the elite ruling class. Remember the so called vote on the Convention floor to change the rules and marginalize any effort by "we the people"?

    • lanahi

      That too was Boehner’s "gift" to us.

  • palin45potus

    IMO, the appointee will need the "approval" of the MSM (Obama) and thus will be someone guaranteed to cough up the GOP’s lunch money every single time.

    Hey, without the Washington Generals the Harlem Globetrotters aren’t as much fun!

    • goldenprez

       palin45potus … This one wins the "Best Analogy of 2012″ hands down.

      Wish I had said that.

      (Maybe I will sometime in the future.)

      Throw them all out! The status quo must go!

      Believe none of what you hear, and only half of what you see.

      Illegitimi non carborundum.

      Barracudas Maximus.

      • palin45potus

        Feel free to steal it anytime, as I probably did myself.

        • goldenprez

           palin45potus … I never steal … I "appropriate."

          I wish I could remember from whom I appropriated "Barracudas Maximus."

          Throw them all out! The status quo must go!

          Believe none of what you hear, and only half of what you see.

          Illegitimi non carborundum.

          Barracudas Maximus.

    • lanahi

      I don’t think so.  This move to end Boehner’s reign has a lot to do with stopping his sell-out to Obama and the liberals.  The problem is that the Democrats can vote for the Speaker too, which seems stupid to me, since the Speaker is selected to be the majority spokesman as much as anything else.  The House as a whole, though, is far more conservative than the Senate.

  • Patriot41

    John Boehner is partisan alright, even to the point of turning members of his own party against him.  Actions have consequences and Boehner is about to experience those consequences in a very negative manner.  When you pit members in your own party against one another, you are no longer a leader and you need to be removed from the leadership roles.  This has been a problem that has been festering in the GOP for many years and it is time for it to come to an end, if the GOP plans on fielding a party of opposition to it’s counter parts, across the political aisle.

    I do believe that Paul Ryan showed the necessary backbone, when confronting the president over Obamacare and the budget.  I also believe that he can work with all factions of the GOP and would most likely be a very good speaker.  He has been in Congress long enough to know how that institution functions.  He is a good christian man and believes in conservative values, so I would have no problem in supporting a movement to elect him as the Speaker of the House. 

    • John_Frank

      Paul Ryan would be no better than John Boehner.

      Analogizing from how Anatoly Sharansky stood on principle, he would not zig-zag when told to walk straight, nor would he sit in the snow.

      During the Bush years, he voted in favor of every big ticket spending item to come down the pike. It takes almost 20 years under the House Budget he championed to get to a balanced budget.

      No, if Republicans are looking for a leader to replace John Boehner, they should look to Sarah Palin.

  • goldenprez

    Let us just point out that Paul Ryan was a major part of the "whip team" for the passage of Plan B.

    I am always amazed that so-called conservatives are so easily fooled by the propaganda concerning so-called conservative members of the House.

    If anyone expects different results by replacing Boehner with Ryan, I have some oceanfront property I’d like to sell you in Nevada.

    As long as grassroots conservatives are so easily fooled by the Ryans and Wests,  the situation remains hopeless.

    Yes, Paul Ryan put forth a plan to balance the budget … in 2040!

    Don’t quote me Mrs. Palin’s endorsement of the Ryan plan without specifying that she said it was "a good first step."

    The chances of Boehner being overthrown are infinitesimal. And that he would be replaced by a "real" conservative, nil. This is the GOP we are talking about here. Any one of us has a better chance of winning the Powerball Lottery.

    Throw them all out! The status quo must go!

    Believe none of what you hear, and only half of what you see.

    Illegitimi non carborundum.

    Barracudas Maximus.

  • blueniner

    Sarah Palin wasnt all to enthusiastic about the Ryan plan back when it was presented. Since then as a VP candidate, the more we learned about Ryan ,while he seems like a nice guy, he has looked weak and more GOP establishment than a reformer. He didnt do alot for Romneys ticket, his speechs arent mememorable, there isnt any charisma. His strengths seem to be more with numbers. All and all he has been dissapointing. As a Speaker it would be more of the same of we have now.
    My pick of course would be Sarah Palin, but that would never happen.

    • Lemuel Vargas

      Could someone that is not a member of the house of representative be a speaker of the said house? Pls. enlighten at this point because as far as is known, Sarah is not a congresswoman (as of yet..)

      • blueniner

        Yes, its in the Constitution, as of yet I dont think an outsider has been elected to Speaker without being in Congress. Mark Levin on the air a while back read the provision in the Constitution, when he had floated Sarah Palins name for a possible candidate for Speaker.

        • 01_Explorer_01

          Ain’t gonna happen…………..but it is fun to post.

      • lanahi

        It’s possible in theory but would never happen.  The Congress is a very closed group and will not consider an outsider, including those like West who have lost their elections.  They will also not vote for an "extreme" conservative like West, even if he had won. 

        I think Sarah running for Congress would be a big come-down for her, and I doubt she would give up her idealic life in Alaska just for a congressional life in the sewers of DC.  She would just be another junior congress person without power except one vote among many others, although she certainly would still shake things up if given the chance to speak!  She does that now well enough, however, so there isn’t much reason for her to run for Congress.

      • colint

        Picking someone from out of Congress I would take Newt. There was a balanced budget when he was Speaker. He knows the job and does not require a leaning phase. He very intelligent. He can handlle the media. He can certainly handle Obama. He would not be subservient.

    • ProudAmerican247

      I agree, niner. Paul Ryan is from my state and as much as I like him and think he’s a good guy, his strength is in the finance department, and that’s where he belongs.

      House Speaker? He can be bold with words at times…calling b.o.’s plans Socialistic, but I say NO to Speaker.

      Who has the cajones to DO and SAY the RIGHT thing and move the conservative agenda forward?

      • lanahi

        There may be others who could lead the conservative agenda forward, but they probably would not be elected as Speaker.  The best we could do is an IMPROVEMENT from Boehner as far as standing up to the liberals and making life a little better for conservatives there.

  • MarkRNY

    Wasn’t Ryan Mitten’s VP pick?? I can’t remember. Hardly saw him.

    The MSM is pretty much sticking a fork in the GOPe (of course they’re blaming TP members). That might be good news in the long run–unintended consequences!

    Ryan the Silent! Hang onto your toupees Beltway.

  • aafan

    Secret ballot by an elected rep is not correct. Secret ballot is to protect ordinary citizen.  All votes  and actions as elected rep must be transparent and open for his constituents to know. If some one wants to vote against any body he should vote with courage and face his constituents with that decision and not hide behind a secret vote.

  • friskyness

    Paul Ryan is no better than Boehner.  He is still establishment.  He lost the election with Romney. Why should he be rewarded. He couldn’t even get Wisconsin for Romney.  It just burns me up, that Ryan didn’t get the blame as Sarah did in 2008.  At least she delivered  Alaska.  I am just burning that Romney and Ryan didn’t get any blame as the press and  everyone blamed Sarah!  To beat all, Romney and Ryan did worse together, than, Sarah and McCain did together.  I can’t stand the GOPe and the press.  It just tells me more, that Sarah would be a better president than even Reagan!

    • 01_Explorer_01

      No Ryan fan either here on my part but in your post …."He lost the election with Romney. Why should he be rewarded……."  Could apply to anyone who has lost an election.   

      • friskyness

        I was referring to Sarah Palin…..she lost the election with McCain, but she didn’t get rewarded afterwards, like Ryan is……no one is blaming Ryan for the loss….like they did with Palin…..the GOPe is still blaming Sarah for the loss, but yet, they don’t mock Ryan or blame him for anything……and he didn’t even produce Wisconsin and  Romney didn’t even produce any of this so called states…………

    • lanahi

      Don’t get your hopes up that we will get a conservative Speaker.  It won’t happen.  But we can hope for someone better than Boehner. And Ryan has stood up to Obama before. Obama hates him for it.

  • virginiagentleman1

    Once again the intripid Mr. Boyle brings us the "news we can use"! In Matt Boyle we have the last of the truely honest investigative reporters. If Boyle says there is a strong move afoot to replace Boehner, then you can go to the bank with it.
    When Boyle gives his word to keep the members and staffers names out of the news in return for their information, they know he is about the very last of the TRUSTWORTHY reporters on the planet.
    Remember "Fast and Furious"?  Matt Boyle brought that into the public limelight.

    Yes, I very much want Boehner out of the Speakers job but I’m not so sure that Ryan is the best for the job. Whats wrong with West or Gohmert or Gowdy or Palin, REAL conservatives?

  • misterlogic0013

    doesn’t matter, both are moderate RINOsssssssssss.

  • lanahi

    It’s sad that House members are afraid to replace this Speaker!  Boehner shows backbone when he shouldn’t…protecting his own power…and no backbone when he should…protecting the nation.  He’s got his mini feifdom and doesn’t intend to give it up for anything.  Just another would-be dictator but without the skill to lead.

    Hopefully they will replace him.  Of course, they probably won’t pick a conservative or someone we want, but at least it puts the next Speaker on notice that he needs a backbone when he should have one…against the liberal agenda.  And maybe the next one, if they are successful, won’t try to cause division in the ranks and not remove those who don’t consistently vote GOPe.  We’ll see.  It’s a good start.

    • Freempg

      A succinct appraisal, lana. Well done.

  • Jean_A

    Paul Ryan is a bigger RINO than Boehner.

    • Ceejay

      That is what is wrong with the GOP(e) , they should look up the definition of insanity.. we need to change the team, not just the uniforms …geez this is really frustrating!

  • nkthgreek

    Sarah as Speaker? Ah, then we could say the age of miracles hasn’t past.

  • AJ40

    I hope Boehner is replaced.  I would suggest Michele Bachmann particularly if tax arguements are your thing.  Of course I get burned by my oponents on this sight every time I mention her.  BUT i’m sticking to my guns on my preferences.  This lady knows a lot…more than you give her credit for and having also been on the House Intelligence Committee she knows where the bodies are buried. I’d like to see it.  She’d sure bring the hammer down on Pelosi and some of those other game players on the Republican side.  But, like you say, I can’t see it happeningther with her or Paul Ryan.

  • bluelion6

    i say the best thin to do is start a 3rd party

  • Christopher H Fromme

    All I can tell you peep’s is that I’ll be in DC on Jan 3 when the new Congressman  from my district PA-12 is sworn in. Thus time to make the rounds of offices to see whats happening.  if anyone else is going to be there please repy..  Too many people that don’t pay attention enough are fooled by Paul Ryan

  • Leroy Whitby

    Without reading above or below . . . I think Ryan would be a major improvement over Boehner.

    • John_Frank

      Ryan would be no better than Boehner.

      He voted in favor of every big ticket spending item that came before the House while G.W. Bush was President.

      Under the House Budget that he championed, the budget is not balanced until 2040.

      Analogizing from how Anatoly Sharansky stood on principle, he would not
      zig-zag when told to walk straight, nor would he sit in the snow.

      If Republicans are looking for proven leadership, the person to seek out is Sarah Palin.

  • Leroy Whitby

    Vote for majority leader should be secret. Definitely.

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