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  • BrianusBerkleianus

    My Dear Friends in Sarah,

    A Happy and Blessed Sunday to you all!!

    And, for those who celebrate the beautiful preparatory season for Christmas, Happy Advent!!

    Long live Christmas trees; long live Advent wreaths; long live all the beautiful bustle of this most special time and tide of the year–heck, long live the classical half-hour film "A Charlie Brown Christmas." And to those blighted and benighted souls who would suppress forever these and so many other traditions and customs that define and beautify our lives, I say –WE SHALL NEVER SURRENDER!!!

    I am presenting again the "Latin Sarah" series from last spring and summer.

    I hope that you will enjoy reading for a first or second time these compositions.

    I remain optimistic and hopeful this early December morning that, in spite of the disaster of obama’s "reelection," and in spite of all the encouragement that this fell event has given to the most clamorous and noisy and noisome elements in our society–I remain most sanguine and confident that our country is not lost, and can be reclaimed, can be brought back from the brink, can be saved.

    And a Lady Warrior from the fair and far North Country shall lead us into battle!!

    The Mama Grizzly is coming–IMHO!!

    God bless you all always!!

    DEO VOLENTE, SARAH 2016!!!



    Here are a few words from the original introduction to the series:

    … I am going to combine Sarah’s name with a Latin substantive (noun) or adjective, starting with the letter A and moving on. Then I will present … reflections on the phrase that results. For example, the first two will be: For A, SARAH AQUILA, Sarah the Eagle, and for B, SARAH BOREALIS, Sarah of the North/Northern Sarah.

    I hope you will enjoy these little ventures into LATIN SARAH (I think her grandfather, CJ Sheeran, would approve–he loved Latin and Notre Dame football, as the Governor tells us!)


    Bright, diaphanous, fearless eyes … spirit as lofty and noble as the pinions that carry the "Lords of the Winds" on high …sweet memories of the noble sky warriors of J.R.R. Tolkien’s great trilogy …piercing, beautiful voice of Freedom, cutting across all ages, all Party lines, all States, all demographics … Hark, hark, my fellow citizens, in this grim and yet exhilarating hour of peril and opportunity for the Res Publica Americana, hearken to the sound and thunder of the Eagle’s Voice calling us to arise, arise, arise and fight for all that we know is best and noblest and bravest in our wide land … Sarah the Eagle is calling to you, America!!!!

    • Pete Petretich

      Palin-West, I’m ready for it. It doesn’t even matter to me if they run as Republicans or Independents…

      • BrianusBerkleianus

        Thanks, Pete!!

      • Guest

         Ready for it? I have so much energy everybody I know refers to me as the "Energizer Bunny." A Palin/West ticket will have me jet propelled! Look out!

        • BrianusBerkleianus

          High Five, JRD!!

    • BHappy

      Hi Brainus, My son and his family are hosting a foreign exchange student from Germany this school year. He is a very sweet boy and we are enjoying him. I picked him up the other night from an event at school and he remarked about all the Christmas lights in our town. He thought they were beautiful.

      He said they don’t have many in Germany. We often take these little things for granted. We still love Jesus and Christmas here. He is enjoying going to church each week with our extended family. God works in mysterious ways. A happy and holy Advent to all!

      • Kathleen

        I went through this with the few Japanese students I got to host during December (I usually get students in Feb/March or July/Aug).  They were fascinated with an American Christmas–the trees, the lights, the church services.  Christmas has been warped into a "romantic holiday" in Japan where its true meaning is lost in the desire of young couples to hook up and spend the night together on Christmas Eve in a fancy hotel, just because it’s "romantic."  I keep trying to impress on my students that the rest of the world sees Christmas as having far more meaning than that.

      • BrianusBerkleianus

        Beautiful, BHappy; thanks so much for sharing this with us.

        A happy and holy Advent to you and yours!!

        God bless.

    • Kathleen

      This was lovely, Brianus; thank you.  I missed your Sarah Latin series when you first did it.  I tend to skip over the first few pages to the most recent posts.  My apologies.

      • BrianusBerkleianus

        You are most welcome, Kathleen!!

        I hope you enjoy the series.

        God bless!!

  • ZH100

    Good morning all.

    Excellent article about Gov.Palin’s record of accomplishments.

    ‘Who Is the Real Sarah Palin?’

    From the article:

    Executive Authority and Success

    Palin was the first female and youngest governor to be elected in Alaska, which is tied for the second most powerful governorship in the United States, according to Thad Beyle, a political scientist at the University of North Carolina.

    Budgeting and Spending

    Palin cut state spending between 2007 and 2010 by 9.5% while also reducing federal earmark requests by more than 80% during her tenure. She used her line-item veto to cut more than a quarter billion in superfluous spending in both 2007 and 2008. In 2009, she instituted a temporary hiring freeze, while at the same time reducing spending by more than 33% between FY2009 and FY2010.

    In stark contrast to President Obama and other governors whose fiscal records are dogged by credit downgrades, Palin left Alaska with an improved credit rating during and following her tenure as governor.  Standard & Poor’s raised Alaska’s credit rating from AA to AA+ in April 2008. Then in 2010, both Moody’s and Standard & Poor’s upgraded Alaska to AAA for the first time in the state’s history due to policies enacted by Palin that made the state’s finances more than solvent.  


    Under Palin’s leadership, Alaska was 2nd in job growth, and 3rd in the change in its unemployment rate, compared to the other states. Alaska also saw a record number of oil jobs in both 2008 and 2009, while natural resource and logging jobs increased 13.7% during Palin’s tenure.

    In fact, Palin’s record on jobs compared to the country as a whole was stronger than the President’s and other prominent governors’ during their respective tenures

    Business Growth

    Alaska was an opportunity society under Palin. Alaska moved up from the 4th most business tax-friendly state to the 3rd most business tax-friendly state during her tenure.

    Palin was a firm believer in tax cuts. In addition to lowering unemployment insurance tax rates, she cut business license fees in half, suspended the state motor fuel tax, and signed legislation, allowing Alaska-based businesses the same opportunities as out-of-state businesses. All of this was consistent with her record as Mayor of Wasilla, where she eliminated small business inventory taxes and cut property tax mill levies every year she was in office.


    Energy issues are Palin’s forte, and her record proves it. In 2007, Governor Palin signed ACES—Alaska’s Clear and Equitable Share—a net tax on oil profits that was passed in a bipartisan and transparent manner. ACES replaced the corruption-tainted oil tax plan of the previous administration, which was passed in secret and ultimately lead to the federal indictment of several Alaskan state officials and oil company personnel. Furthermore, ACES provided oil companies with incentives to develop. The progressivity of the tax meant producers were protected when oil prices were low, but the interest of the resource owners—the people of Alaska—were appropriately protected as well to achieve a fair return for their resource.

    Most importantly, ACES led to jobs, increased development, and a huge surplus for Alaska.

    Perhaps Palin’s biggest energy achievement was spearheading the creation of the Alaska natural gas pipeline. After five decades of unsuccessful attempts by Alaskan administrations to bring a gas pipeline project into existence, Palin and her team introduced the Alaska Gasline Inducement Act (AGIA) in March 2007. AGIA passed the Legislature by a vote of 57-1 in May of that year.

    Unlike the behind-closed-doors cronyism of past administrations, Palin’s AGIA legislation was conducted out in the open and made use of a genuine free-market competitive bidding process. Palin’s AGIA placed not only Alaska, but also the nation, further on the path toward energy independence.

    Palin played hardball with the big oil companies in her state. According to the Alaska state constitution, Alaskans are the resource owners in their state; and it was Palin’s duty as their CEO to get the best deal for Alaskans while at the same time partnering with these oil companies for the mutual benefit of all.

    Ethics Reform and Transparency

    Ethics reform was the hallmark of Palin’s governorship. She was swept into office on a reform message in a state with a serious corruption problem. Alaska at the time was undergoing a federal investigation that culminated in the indictment of various corrupt lawmakers. Palin had made a name for herself as an ethics crusader when she chaired the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservative Commission and blew the whistle on fellow commissioner and state GOP head Randy Ruedrich for doing party business on state time. This resulted in Ruedrich receiving a $12,000 fine—the largest civil fine for ethics in the state’s history. Alaskans respected the fact that Palin was not afraid of taking on the establishment of her own party.

    As governor, Palin fought for and signed sweeping bipartisan ethics legislation, which restricted lobbyists, improved disclosure laws, and improved executive and legislative branch ethics laws. In the face of corruption, she continued to take on her own party when it was necessary. She also increased transparency by releasing her oil tax bill to her constituents 17 days prior to the special legislative session, opening up natural gas pipeline deals to all potential parties, putting the state checkbook online, and not allowing lobbyists in her office.


    Palin forward funded education to allow districts greater flexibility, supported increased vocational training and early education funding, opened up opportunity to Alaskan students to participate in regional medical schools, and increased overall funding for special needs education by 175% (before she herself became the mother of son with special needs). Believing that the best reform was close to home, Palin wisely also chose to monitor rather than participate in national standards for education.

    Health Care

    Palin introduced health care transparency legislation that established an Alaska health care information office to give consumers factual information on quality and cost to help them make better-informed health care decisions. Recognizing that health care must be market-and business-driven, rather than restricted by government, Palin proposed repeal of Certificate of Need—a layer of bureaucracy that prevents medical facility development. She established the Alaska Health Strategies Planning Council, reduced Medicaid assessments by 83%, and expanded Alaska’s SeniorCare benefits program for low-income seniors.

    • BrianusBerkleianus

      Good morning and thank you as always, ZH.  Have a great Sunday!!

      • ZH100

         You are welcome, Brianus and a great Sunday too!

  • Quiet_Righty

    Is Matthew Zencey’s new book about Gov. Palin worth the paper it is printed on? I heard of the book only yesterday.

    • ZH100
      • BrianusBerkleianus

        Thanks again, ZH, for this link!

        • ZH100

           You are welcome, Brianus.

    • Audrey_I

      Matthew Zencey is the editor of an Anchorage paper that is part of the leftist McClathchy Newspaper chain.  This newspaper chain operates in median size cities across America and are constantly spewing their leftist propaganda.  I would love to see this news corporation go out of business.

      • TheresaAK

        So would I….

      • Kathleen

        Sadly that would mean my husband would be out of a job.  He works for a local paper that is part of the McClatchy chain.  I know their rep and we aren’t happy these days with their viewpoints, but his job is a major source of our income.  Please don’t wish them out of business so much as praying they change their hearts.

  • ZH100

    ‘Setting the Record Straight – Sarah Palin and Sex Education’

    From the article:

    "NPR got it wrong back in 2008. As did the The Washington Post, MSNBC, ABC News and The Wallstreet Journal .Unfortunately, many feminists have followed the misinformation of the mainstream media."

    • ZH100

      Sliming Palin

      From the article:

      "We’ve been flooded for the past few days with queries about dubious Internet postings and mass e-mail messages making claims about McCain’s running mate, Gov. Palin. We find that many are completely false, or misleading.

      Palin did not cut funding for special needs education in Alaska by 62 percent. She didn’t cut it at all. In fact, she increased funding and signed a bill that will triple per-pupil funding over three years for special needs students with high-cost requirements.

      She did not demand that books be banned from the Wasilla library. Some of the books on a widely circulated list were not even in print at the time. The librarian has said Palin asked a "What if?" question, but the librarian continued in her job through most of Palin’s first term.

      She was never a member of the Alaskan Independence Party, a group that wants Alaskans to vote on whether they wish to secede from the United States. She’s been registered as a Republican since May 1982.
      Palin never endorsed or supported Pat Buchanan for president. She once wore a Buchanan button as a "courtesy" when he visited Wasilla, but shortly afterward she was appointed to co-chair of the campaign of Steve Forbes in the state.
      Palin has not pushed for teaching creationism in Alaska’s schools. She has said that students should be allowed to "debate both sides" of the evolution question, but she also said creationism "doesn’t have to be part of the curriculum."

  • ZH100

    As Governor Palin has said many times, she advocates for an “all of the above”approach to energy independence which includes solar, wind, nuclear, and clean coal in addition to the more traditional oil, gas, and coal.

    She supported development of renewable energy sources, developing a plan to have 50% of Alaska’s energy to be produced from renewable sources by the year 2025.

    ‘Palin unveils state energy goals; 2025 GOAL: At least 50 percent of state’s power to be from alternative sources.’    (January , 2009)

    "Gov. Sarah Palin has crossed swords with conservation groups over petroleum drilling, but she earned nothing but praise Friday after announcing the most ambitious renewable energy goals in the nation. At a news conference announcing her statewide energy plan, Palin called for 50 percent of Alaska’s power to be generated by renewable resources by 2025."

    ‘Sarah Palin’s Goal Of 50% Renewable Energy Use In Alaska Signed Into Law’ (June , 2010)

    From the article:

    "One of the first things Barack Obama did, once he took office, was to announce a pretty ambitious goal of having the United States get 25 percent of it’s energy from renewable sources by the year 2025. To date, little if anything, has been done by the Obama regime to reach this goal.

    On January 21, 2009 (Obama’s first full day at work) Sarah Palin, writing in the Wall Street Journal, praised this initiative strongly, while reminding Obama that conventional sources of energy will always be needed. She also announced that she was working on the goal of having Alaska get a full 50 percent of it’s energy from renewables in that same 2025 time frame."

  • ZH100

    ‘Sarah takes on Big Oil: The compelling story of Governor Sarah Palin’s battle with Alaska’s
    ‘Big 3′ oil companies’ (by Kay Cashman and Kristen Nelson)

    Gov. Palin’s successful efforts to stop the cronyism and reform the energy business in Alaska were so impressive Kay Cashman, the publisher and executive editor of Petroleum News, wrote the book entitled: “Sarah Takes On Big Oil” .

    This is a must read for anyone who wants to understand the leadership Sarah Palin has exhibited in the area of reforming government and industry.

  • Pete Petretich

    Some of you, like myself, have supported the charitable work of Gary Sinise and the Lt Dan Band. Here’s Gary’s latest holiday message:

    • BrianusBerkleianus

      Thank you so much, Pete, for sharing this beautiful and inspiring film clip!!

      God bless.

  • qtdb7

    It looks like Steve Flesher’s letter was posted on The Baltimore Sun web site.

    My Letter to the Editor (Palin2016)
    Posted on November 29 2012 – 10:38 AM – Posted by:Steve Flesher | Follow Steve on Twitter!

    Palin for president in 2016? You betcha!
    2:00 p.m. EST, December 1, 2012,0,2060213.story

  • ZH100

    Some interesting videos.

    CNN finding that Palin was hard-working governor

    Jonathan Strong discusses LSM Plot to tear Palin Down  (July ,2010)

    Sarah Palin Visits Troops at Camp Bondsteel, Kosovo (2009)

    Governor Palin Dines With Prime Minister Netanyahu  (March ,2011)

    Governor Palin “On the Couch with Koel” in India (March ,2011)

    Samaritan’s Purse – Sarah Palin – Birmingham Tornado Relief

    Governor Palin in Haiti.

    Opinion Journal: Palin vs. Bernanke

    Rush – McCain Staffers Trying to Destroy Sarah Palin – Nov 6, 2008

    PJTV: Bill Whittle on the Sarah Palin Haters.

    ESPN Outside the Lines: Wasilla Warrior Sarah Palin .

    This video was broadcast by ESPN. It describes how Sarah Palin (then Heath) led her team to victory in March 1982 — with a broken ankle — and how that defining moment charted the course for the remainder of her life.

    The Wardrobe Saga

    • Escaped_Teleprompter

      Appreciate very much your work as the C4P reference librarian.  Your archives are destined to become very valuable resources. 

      • ZH100

         You are welcome, Escaped_Teleprompter.

      • BrianusBerkleianus


  • ZH100

    ‘Some of Sarah Palin’s Ideas Cross the Political Divide’ (by Anand Giridharadas)

    From the article:

    "But something curious happened when Ms. Palin strode onto the stage last weekend at a Tea Party event in Indianola, Iowa. Along with her familiar and predictable swipes at President Barack Obama and the “far left,” she delivered a devastating indictment of the entire U.S. political establishment — left, right and center — and pointed toward a way of transcending the presently unbridgeable political divide. "

  • ZH100

    ‘Politico: Emails Bolster the Message in ‘The Undefeated’’ (June , 2011)   

    From the article:

    "You know the unprecedented fishing expedition conducted by the Obama compliant media has been an epic fail when even the Politico is forced to admit this whole spectacle will probably end up helping her.  How?  In the video below, Andy Barr discusses the fact that the emails pretty much back up what we’ve known all along: Governor Palin was a very engaged and highly effective Governor.  

    She was an impressive leader who paid attention to all issues, large and small.  Further, the emails bolster the message in The Undefeated by corroborating the fact that she was a fearless, no-nonsense chief executive who took on Big Oil and other outside interests in order to further the interests of those for whom she worked: the citizens of Alaska."

  • ZH100

    ‘Greta: About Those People Claiming Sarah Palin Cost John McCain the Election’

    From the article:

    "This time Greta does the heavy lifting. She’s using Fox News polls, which I find tend to understate Republican support when polling against a democrat. But even their polls show a sustained 6 point bump for the campaign, one that put them ahead of Obama for the first time, right after Sarah was chosen, and gave her masterful speech at the Republican convention.

    McCain would maintain this lead until the financial meltdown, and he decided to suspend his campaign to head off to Washington without a real plan of action. It was a fatal mistake and one a smart campaign manager would have advised against, but we’re talking Steve Schmidt here, so smarts don’t enter into the equation."

    • Audrey_I

      Sarah Palin brought youthful vitality to John McCain’s campaign. 

      Individuals like Steve Schmidt and Michelle Wallace should have their butts kicked for their perfidious deeds. 

  • wodiej

    "So now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love."  1 Corinthians 13:13

  • wodiej

    ?"There are 6,775,235,842 people in the world. Why are you letting one of them ruin your life?"

  • wodiej

    ?"It’s the possibility that keeps me going, not the guarantee." Nicholas Sparks, author

  • wodiej

    "Every time you subtract negative from your life, you make room for more positive."

  • HuntingMoose


    The profile of a troll.

    today I had the joy of dissecting a troll "Mark S. Barkhurst" who tried to attach lies and pure evil to one of my posts here.

    To spot him, I just had to open the disqus activity and noticed the red-flag small number of posts and just reading 3 or 4 of the total 20 showed this guy is exactly the type of people that should be prosecuted for slander and lies.

    Although may be not since he was a too easy to spot. Used his own name that could be googled with mugshot and all which would indicate a blatant ignorant fool that just has been spoon fed too many lies.  But for the same reason the disqus account may as well be a fake to and took the identity of another person and it will be a bit more difficult to track down the real insidious person behind these slander but probably also easier to prosecute since you have identity theft added to it as well.

    Anyhow, it makes me realize, the number of people suffering from PDS is still pretty big. Lots of work for us still ahead.



    • HuntingMoose

      Little update, interesting to see that my comment has been flagged by likely this troll. May be because I listed the name of the troll which happens to be actually his disqus name as well and I added some additional information I found on google?

      Why is it OK for this troll to lie and send out falsehoods about Sarah Palin but when it comes to this slithering critter himself, he gets all defensive, not because of lies but just because a link was added to public available information? Like the thing those leftists always pull on conservatives but now as your favorite preacher would say "it comes home to roost?

      so below I will post a copy since I do not know how long it will take until the moderator un flags my comment:

      • HuntingMoose


        Dear Mark,

        Hmm. You are an interesting person that has a trackrecord of sending out lies and deceit about Sarah Palin. I do not know if you write them intentionally or are a complete fool but for amusement of other bloggers here at c4p, here a summary of some of your falsehoods, deception in earlier posts:

        "Those who don’t pay into Social Security such as professionals, are left to provide for their own retirement." : everyone has a deduction on their payslip. May be you never earned one so don’t know that but that is a fact. And yes, most professionals are working for companies earning wages (even if it is their own company) and are not gambling professionals.
        The area of the budget that has the highest potential to afford cuts is the military: Well, let’s start cutting the security around your house, or better, why don’t you just pack your stuff in Florida and go to North Korea , Egypt, Iran to enjoy peace and freedom?

        What evidence to you have to say the election was rigged? : 100% of all the votes in 50something area’s in Philly is not only a statistical inpossibility but also the stupiest thing I have ever seen in voter count fraud: ever heard of the fact that people make wrong votes? Guess what, you cannot have 50.000 people and have none of them by accident not vote for the other person

        Palin doesn’t have an army to march on with. Since you’re a frequent commenter on C4P, look and notices how many different people actually leave comments: Hmm, you really start sounding like a troll or something slithering in the grass with this kind of lies.

        The Federal government has never said that Christmas is a holiday to celebrate the birth of Christ.And the government also has never said that we should adhere to the religion of atheism whose religion it is to prevent expression of religion (hmm, why is this never brought up when those atheist lunatics show up like the grinch?)

        on Could Sarah Palin Enter The 2016 Presidential Race? –I’ve never seen so many delusional and obviously undereducated people posters at one site. For those who don’t know any better, Palin is done in politics. : I vote deranged. A troll or snake at least has some smarts to know that what they write is nonsense.

        She caused her own downfall, particularly after her first two national interviews:

        That’s been over 6 years ago and doesn’t represent where she is today.

        When Sarah only has around a 30% approval rating in Alaska, she’s done.

        Makes me wonder: why do you write those lies that are so obvious not true?

        Did you have too much at hand suing Liberty Mutual for something frivolous and no time left to educate yourself a bit better on the truth?

        Or are you just upset that you got arrested for driving with an expired drivers license? Next time don’t forget to smile as all your leftist hollywood friends always do in that situation.  

        Anyhow, my favorite comment of you is
        Mark S. Barkhurst · Top Commenter · The Ohio State University
        Glennis Waterman Don’t forget, she has hired her own ghost writers and advisers at SarahPAC. It’s also obvious to see by noting her previous "word salad" to being more grammatically correct. I have no idea how she ever got a degree in journalism, but the college where she graduated should be academically embarrassed by awarding her a degree.


        • 36763

          I live in Philadelphia.  I’m very familiar with the areas where Romney received none or practically zero votes from individual divisions.  There was no voter fraud.  It is just one of many examples of how bad Mitt Romney was as a candidate.  

          I was surprised that Romney actually got some votes in these neighborhoods.  

          • section9

            That’s my only disagreement with you. While we both agree that Romney was the kind of candidate that "Couldn’t Beat Hitler", it’s statistically impossible for him to have gotten zero votes across fifty wards. That’s fraud.

            Not that it matters. Obama got enough real votes in Philly and the rest of urban PA for him to win that state.

            • narciso

               Of course, Section, why did they force out the inspectors, for several hours, if not to cheat,

            • Don

              I’m still trying very hard to understand "how" obama legally got MORE than 100% in some areas.


              Just the opinion of a dumb ole (Natural Born Citizen)
              country boy.

          • Audrey_I

            Chicago and Philadelphia are notorious for voter fraud.  The Democrats are masters at committing voter fraud.  Voting fraud happens when cities are run by democrat controlled political machines.  

            • Betsey_Ross

              You could add Baltimore/Washington Corridor to that list along with Cleveland, New Orleans, Houston, and any large metropolitan area as you said that are and have been for many years run by Democrats.  My question has always been "Why do we put up with it?" 

        • SusanWo4p

          When this guy is not being factually incorrect he is making a A LOT of broad assumptions that he’s convinced himself are factual as well.

          For example:

          1.  How are her supporters uneducated?  Where is the proof?  Any statistics to support his assertion?  Nope it’s based on his own bigotry and intolerence to people with whom he disagrees.  Indeed, it’s funny how these left-wingers (who pompously crow about their "support" of the downtrodden/99%) are the first ones to denigrate the working class by turning their noses up at them.

          2. "Palin doesn’t have an army to march with."  He cites the number of commenters on C4P as his proof???  Hilarious.  I suppose he also thinks that the only people who show up on Election Day are people who interact on political websites. 

          3.  "The Federal Goverment never said Christmas was a holiday to celebrate Christmas?"  This guy is trying to create his own reality with this comment.  I wonder if he could use his skills of deductive reasoning to figure out why the Federal Government gives their employees the day off on Christmas Day?

          4.  The "word salad"/bad interview narrative.  Has this guy ever heard Obama speak without a teleprompter?   Does he know about all the gaffes that Obama has made?   From his lies (his grandfather liberated Jews at Auschwitz)…to his mispronounciations ("corpseman") to his ignorance (not being able to quote the amount of our national debt.)  Does he know that our Ivy League educated President think we have 57 states?

          Odd how these same people still use her years old Couric interview to declare unfit for office,  are currently defending Susan Rice’s intelligence.

          If one is going to be "educated" you have to use the same standard of judgement for all politicians…not just the ones you don’t like.  If Sarah’s political career is over because she didn’t name the newspapers she reads…than Obama’s (our nation’s CEO) career should be over because he couldn’t quote a ballpark estimate of what our national deficit is.

          And…with that all aside, if Sarah is no longer a force, why is this guy bothering with her?       

          • Betsey_Ross

            Because he knows she can come back at any second and be a force.

          • HuntingMoose

            I can see you get as much as me motivated when we encounter this kind of slithering critter.

            I know the tendency is just to ignore them but I start to prefer to do a Breitbart on them and throw it right back in their face.

            we should go out there and wherever these lies are propagated rebut them and especially not forget to expose the liars behind them or they will continue do their evil bid.

      • Anno76

        Good, one less person to spew lies and hatred on this site. These "trolls/liberals" are evil and evil people do things in the dark and when the truth of light hits them, they scatter like the RATS they really are.
        Thanks for keeping this site "troll free" – happy Hunting Moose :)

  • Laddie_Blah_Blah

    Death panels?  You want death panels?  A look at what our health care system may evolve into:

    And 53% of Dems have a favorable view of socialism:

    And the Left thinks rationing is good.  They just did not want to admit to that when Sarah pointed out that’s what they wanted to do, all along:

    No one here is the least bit surprised, but confirmation of suspicions vindicate opposition to Obamacare, unless you want to have your life, or the lives of your family, rationed out of existence by one of Obama’s radical progressive cronies.

    • GeraldGoff

      the only folks not subject to ‘rationing’ are the ones who can pay out of pocket.

      the rest of us who depend on someone else to cover our medical bills, whether it is private insurance, government insurance or a charitable source, will be subject to ‘rationed’ care.

      And even folks who can pay out of pocket will often self ‘ration’ their medical care when the potential returns from medical care are offset by the amount of debt thier families will face from that care.

      And sometimes, even if you can pay for something, the hospital system is often going to ‘ration’ that replacement organ towards the patient with the best long term outcome

      • Audrey_I

        Add members of Congress, high ranking government officials in the Executive branch and the Judicial branch to the list of individuals not subject to health care rationing.

        • SusanWo4p

          Add to your list Congressional aides.

          • senator20526

             …and union members..

      • Laddie_Blah_Blah

        Big, big difference in having the market ration care through the price mechanism and the government rationing through government fiat.  Witness the horrific examples in my first link.  

        I have a friend who helped with an operation on a 2-year-old boy who was suffering terribly from a terminal condition, and who the Canadian socialized health care authorities offered to treat by removing his life support.  "Priests for Life" charities in St. Louis heard about his plight, and the local Catholic Cardinal arranged to have the boy and his parents flown to St. Louis where the operation was paid for by charitable donations.

        One of my college roommates was part of the operating room team that treated "baby Joseph":

        Which do you prefer, death by government rationing, or life-giving private care paid for by private charity?  I saw pictures of that young boy before and after the operation, and he no longer had several tubes shoved down his throat, was able to breathe on his own, and he had a big smile on his happy face.

        Canadian socialized medicine would have allowed his parents to watch him suffocate after they removed his life support.  The "health care" authorities had determined that the operation was not worth the cost to the Canadian government.

        If that’s what you call "health care" then take it for yourself, and don’t force the rest of us to settle for the government sanctioned murder of us and our families when the government decides when we or our loved ones are no longer worth the cost of treatment.  When they sentence you to death, then come back here and tell us how wonderful socialism is.

      • CBDenver

        Insurance companies have a legal responsibility to pay for care that is deemed medically necessary.  If they fail to pay, they can be sued.  Governments have no such restrictions.  Governments, like that in Great Britain, can use criteria other than medical necessity to deny care.  In Great Britain, the National Health Service uses a critera called "Whole Lives".  This criteria looks at the patient’s "usefulness to society".  The very young (less than 15) and the old are considered less useful to society than those of working age.  The young and the old are thus deemed less worthy of having government dollars spent on them for medical care.  This is the basis of rationing care in government-run healthcare systems.
        Furthermore, in a private medical system paid for by private insurance, medical providers are not employees of the insurers.  Medical providers are free to be advocates for their patients, to disagree with insurer’s decisions, and avocate for their patients based on medical necessity for treatment. 
        The case of replacement organs is a red herring argument because there is a shortage of replacement organs available.  This is no the case with other medical treatments as there is not a shortage of artificial heart valves, artificial hips, operating rooms, surgeons, or nurses.

  • Jean_A

    Good morning, C4P!

    I stand with Sarah Palin.

  • Anno76

    Good morning Dear Brianus,
    A beautiful blessed Sunday to you too.

    SARAH – Our shining "North Star"

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