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Since today is Sunday, thought I’d mention the rumor that Tebow may be headed to Jacksonville.


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  • ZH100

    Good morning to all.

    Excellent article about Gov.Palin’s record of accomplishments.

    ‘Who Is the Real Sarah Palin?’

    From the article:

    Executive Authority and Success

    Palin was the first female and youngest governor to be elected in Alaska, which is tied for the second most powerful governorship in the United States, according to Thad Beyle, a political scientist at the University of North Carolina.

    Budgeting and Spending

    Palin cut state spending between 2007 and 2010 by 9.5% while also reducing federal earmark requests by more than 80% during her tenure. She used her line-item veto to cut more than a quarter billion in superfluous spending in both 2007 and 2008. In 2009, she instituted a temporary hiring freeze, while at the same time reducing spending by more than 33% between FY2009 and FY2010.

    In stark contrast to President Obama and other governors whose fiscal records are dogged by credit downgrades, Palin left Alaska with an improved credit rating during and following her tenure as governor.  Standard & Poor’s raised Alaska’s credit rating from AA to AA+ in April 2008. Then in 2010, both Moody’s and Standard & Poor’s upgraded Alaska to AAA for the first time in the state’s history due to policies enacted by Palin that made the state’s finances more than solvent.  


    Under Palin’s leadership, Alaska was 2nd in job growth, and 3rd in the change in its unemployment rate, compared to the other states. Alaska also saw a record number of oil jobs in both 2008 and 2009, while natural resource and logging jobs increased 13.7% during Palin’s tenure.

    In fact, Palin’s record on jobs compared to the country as a whole was stronger than the President’s and other prominent governors’ during their respective tenures

    Business Growth

    Alaska was an opportunity society under Palin. Alaska moved up from the 4th most business tax-friendly state to the 3rd most business tax-friendly state during her tenure.

    Palin was a firm believer in tax cuts. In addition to lowering unemployment insurance tax rates, she cut business license fees in half, suspended the state motor fuel tax, and signed legislation, allowing Alaska-based businesses the same opportunities as out-of-state businesses. All of this was consistent with her record as Mayor of Wasilla, where she eliminated small business inventory taxes and cut property tax mill levies every year she was in office.


    Energy issues are Palin’s forte, and her record proves it. In 2007, Governor Palin signed ACES—Alaska’s Clear and Equitable Share—a net tax on oil profits that was passed in a bipartisan and transparent manner. ACES replaced the corruption-tainted oil tax plan of the previous administration, which was passed in secret and ultimately lead to the federal indictment of several Alaskan state officials and oil company personnel. Furthermore, ACES provided oil companies with incentives to develop. The progressivity of the tax meant producers were protected when oil prices were low, but the interest of the resource owners—the people of Alaska—were appropriately protected as well to achieve a fair return for their resource.

    Most importantly, ACES led to jobs, increased development, and a huge surplus for Alaska.

    Perhaps Palin’s biggest energy achievement was spearheading the creation of the Alaska natural gas pipeline. After five decades of unsuccessful attempts by Alaskan administrations to bring a gas pipeline project into existence, Palin and her team introduced the Alaska Gasline Inducement Act (AGIA) in March 2007. AGIA passed the Legislature by a vote of 57-1 in May of that year.

    Unlike the behind-closed-doors cronyism of past administrations, Palin’s AGIA legislation was conducted out in the open and made use of a genuine free-market competitive bidding process. Palin’s AGIA placed not only Alaska, but also the nation, further on the path toward energy independence.

    Palin played hardball with the big oil companies in her state. According to the Alaska state constitution, Alaskans are the resource owners in their state; and it was Palin’s duty as their CEO to get the best deal for Alaskans while at the same time partnering with these oil companies for the mutual benefit of all.

    Ethics Reform and Transparency

    Ethics reform was the hallmark of Palin’s governorship. She was swept into office on a reform message in a state with a serious corruption problem. Alaska at the time was undergoing a federal investigation that culminated in the indictment of various corrupt lawmakers. Palin had made a name for herself as an ethics crusader when she chaired the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservative Commission and blew the whistle on fellow commissioner and state GOP head Randy Ruedrich for doing party business on state time. This resulted in Ruedrich receiving a $12,000 fine—the largest civil fine for ethics in the state’s history. Alaskans respected the fact that Palin was not afraid of taking on the establishment of her own party.

    As governor, Palin fought for and signed sweeping bipartisan ethics legislation, which restricted lobbyists, improved disclosure laws, and improved executive and legislative branch ethics laws. In the face of corruption, she continued to take on her own party when it was necessary. She also increased transparency by releasing her oil tax bill to her constituents 17 days prior to the special legislative session, opening up natural gas pipeline deals to all potential parties, putting the state checkbook online, and not allowing lobbyists in her office.


    Palin forward funded education to allow districts greater flexibility, supported increased vocational training and early education funding, opened up opportunity to Alaskan students to participate in regional medical schools, and increased overall funding for special needs education by 175% (before she herself became the mother of son with special needs). Believing that the best reform was close to home, Palin wisely also chose to monitor rather than participate in national standards for education.

    Health Care

    Palin introduced health care transparency legislation that established an Alaska health care information office to give consumers factual information on quality and cost to help them make better-informed health care decisions. Recognizing that health care must be market-and business-driven, rather than restricted by government, Palin proposed repeal of Certificate of Need—a layer of bureaucracy that prevents medical facility development. She established the Alaska Health Strategies Planning Council, reduced Medicaid assessments by 83%, and expanded Alaska’s SeniorCare benefits program for low-income seniors.

  • wodiej

    "You have heard that it was said, Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.  But I tell you-love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you."  Matthew 5:43-44

  • ZH100

    ‘Whom Do You Believe? HBO or Gallup?’

    From the article:

    "Gallup polls from the last presidential race prove that once Palin joined the ticket on Aug. 29, 2008, McCain’s ratings steadily climbed to a point where the Republican ticket even outshined Democratic Sen. Barack Obama.

    In the two weeks before Palin joined the McCain ticket, the Arizona senator drifted in the low 40 percentile range, mostly around 41, 42 and 43 percent, while Obama held as much as an 8 point lead at about 49 and 50 percent. Four days after Palin joined the ticket, however, McCain’s numbers climbed to 45 percent and Obama’s sank to 47 percent, narrowing the gap significantly from eight points to two.

    Between Sept. 4-6, McCain and Palin actually overshot the Obama ticket by 3 percent with the Republicans in the lead at 48 percent and the Democrats at only 45. McCain consistently held that lead until Sept. 15, and then the candidates balanced out with Obama enjoying a mere three-point lead, and no lead at all from Sept. 22-24, when the numbers were tied at 46 percent.

    She’s the only reason they had a fighting chance up until the time McCain suspended his presidential campaign in late September.

    So what happened?

    On Sept. 24, however, McCain shocked the country by saying that he was suspending his presidential campaign to help President George W. Bush and Congress solve the financial crisis. Although the former war hero turned senator did it for the good of the country, it was perceived as a brash, erratic act, and that’s exactly how Obama portrayed it.

    Some were intrigued as to how McCain’s decision would play out in the polls, but once he suspended his campaign in late September he never recaptured the lead he enjoyed with the breaking news of recruiting Palin. It was downhill from there.

    • ZH100

      Some interesting reads about the fiction anti-Palin movie "Game Change".

      ‘Winning an Emmy by Gaming the Truth’

      ‘HBO’s “Game Change” Creates A New Film Genre–Histrionic, Historical Fiction’

      ‘‘Game Change’: A made-up narrative from two axe-grinders’

      In an interview on CNN’s “Piers Morgan Tonight,” McCain said “From
      everything I’ve read and heard, it doesn’t even resemble what took
      place,” she said:

      “I can go to Disneyland for fiction.”

      ‘Game Change’ Tries to Rewrite Palin and Fails’

      ‘More ‘Game Change’ Fallout: ‘Staffers talk just to save their asses’

      ‘The Truth HBO’s ‘Game Change’ Hides: Palin Carried McCain Until He Changed the Game’

      ‘McCain: Game Change Book ‘Totally Untrue’

      ‘Whom Do You Believe: HBO or Secret Service?’

      ‘Game Change’s’ Top Stars and Execs: $200K to Democratic Causes; $0 to Republicans

      ‘McCain Adviser: Wallace’s ‘Fiction’

      “Game Change” Proves to Be Yet Another HBO Failure

      • ZH100

        ‘Was Steve Schmidt Qualified to Be McCain’s Campaign Manager?’

        From the article:

        "How Steve Schmidt Failed to Vet Obama and Highlight Palin’s Record.

        During the 2008 election, the McCain campaign touted Governor Palin’s reform credentials by noting her rejection of the infamous “Bridge to Nowhere,” selling the expensive governor’s jet, and signing bipartisan ethics reform into law. However, the McCain campaign never noted that Governor Palin signed legislation in April of 2008 reforming Alaska’s retirement pension system and addressing an $8 billion unfunded liability. The reform led to a 34.6% reduction in liabilities owed by the state of Alaska following Palin’s tenure.

        So while Senator McCain was emphasizing how bipartisan record on other issues would mean that he would be able to reform federal entitlements like Medicare and Social Security, his running mate had already passed a state level equivalent of such a reform in a bipartisan manner"

      • Audrey_I

        I wish HBO would pay a heavy price, in the form of lost revenue and less subscribers, for its leftist bias and deceitful movies like ‘Game Change’. 

        Republicans, Conservatives and supporters of Sarah Palin need an alternative to the corrupt lamestream media.  

      • chuckjr

        Hey ZH,

        I hope you don’t mind, but I linked your post to my Facebook page this morning (chuck heath jr. author page).

        Thanks for the great links you always provide.


        • ZH100

          You are welcome, Chuck.

          • chuckjr

            I’m getting messages that people can’t open the links I posted. They say they’re out of date (?). Any suggestions?

            • ZH100

              You copied the links directly from this page; this will not work because you have only a part of the link and not the complete (!) link.

              You can use the right-click menu (right click on the link you want to copy) and copy the ( URL location) and paste the link.

              Or you can open a link from this page, copy the complete (!) web address of the link from the address bar and paste the web address.

              I hope this will solve the problem.

              After I post a link(s) ,I always check whether the link works , because sometimes things can go wrong and the link is not working or the website changed the web address or the web address is expired.

    • Audrey_I

      George Soros probably played a role in Wall Street meltdown that also hurt the McCain-Palin ticket.

      • epm54338

        Perhaps Soros did pay a role, but John McCain and his team of back-stabbing swine were the reason the ticket lost. To think this moron seriously considered Joe Leiberman and Tom Ridge for VP leaves me numb. Gov. Palin was a good soldier in accepting his invitation. As a result of the fallout, her political career was ruined. The concerted effort by the Dems, RHINOs and LSM since 2008 has been effective. Obama has been a failure and he was rewarded with a second term. It will take a miracle to turn things around.

        • Audrey_I

          On the campaign trail, Sarah Palin was constantly praising John McCain for his service in Vietnam and bravely enduring the hardships of being a POW.  Sarah Palin’s speech at the Republican convention was a barn burner and was the best speech of the 2008 presidential campaign. 

        • ZH100

          I don’t think that Sores played a role in the Wall street meltdown ; there is no evidence for that assumption.

          As many articles stated; the real turning point was when McCain "suspended" his campaign .

          ‘No, Sarah Palin Did Not Cost McCain the Presidency’

          From the article:

          "So why did John McCain really lose?

          First, the real turning point was when McCain ridiculously and bizarrely "suspended" his campaign on September 24, 2008 due to the financial crisis. He led in one of a dozen polls before the announcement (by 1 point), and would go on to trail in every one of the 100+ polls taken and included in the RCP average following that move."


          It was Steve Schmidt who was behind the suspension of McCain’s campaign.

          From  the article:

          "Discussion carried on into the afternoon at the Morgan Library and Museum as McCain prepared for the first presidential debate.
          Schmidt pushed for going all in: suspending the campaign, recommending that the first debate be postponed, parachuting into Washington and forging a legislative solution to the financial crisis for which McCain could then claim credit.

          Exactly how McCain could convincingly play a sober bipartisan problem-solver after spending the previous few weeks garbed as a populist truth teller was anything but clear. But Schmidt and others convinced McCain that it was worth the gamble."


          Both during the election and after some McCain staffers were trying to vilify and to scapegoat Gov.Palin.

          From the article:

          "Not 24 hours after Mrs. Palin changed an otherwise apathetic Republican National Convention in Minneapolis- where the locals were rude and the enthusiasm by delegates over the McCain candidacy was stunted- into an event of a lifetime, with her stunning and charming debut that enthralled delegates and TV audiences, these same McCain staffers were leaking fabricated and exaggerated information to the press about her."

          Rush – McCain Staffers Trying to Destroy Sarah Palin – Nov 6, 2008

          Steve Schmidt (and some of his staffers)  mismanaged the McCain 2008
          presidential campaign and was able to scapegoat Gov. Palin for his own disastrous ineptitude because the media and Hollywood ( "Game Change") hated Gov.Palin.


          To my knowledge McCain didn’t backstab Gov.Palin; some of this team did. ( Steve Schmidt, Nicole Wallace,etc).

          ‘McCain: No regrets over Sarah Palin.’

          From the article:

          "Speaking to Stephen Sackur, McCain said it was a myth that Palin had been harmful to the campaign – she had in fact energised it."

          ‘McCain: Game Change Book ‘Totally Untrue’

          McCain Finally Assails ‘Game Change’

          In an interview on CNN’s “Piers Morgan Tonight,” McCain said “From everything I’ve read and heard, it doesn’t even resemble what took place,” she said. “I can go to Disneyland for fiction.”


          • ZH100

            " Gov. Palin was a good soldier" 

            So true. 

            Gov.Palin was the real fighter during the 2008 election; not McCain. She fought until the last minute.  But she had to fight against Obama and his team; against Obama’s lapdogs in the media, against Hollywood, against some staffers in McCain’s team and against some of the so-called conservative media.   An almost impossible task.

            "The concerted effort by the Dems, RHINOs and LSM since 2008″

            Yes , it was (and still is!!)  a concerted effort by the Dems, GOP establishment and the media ( lib media and some of the so-called conservative media) to vilify and destroy Gov.Palin.

            And I would also like to add; by Hollywood.

  • ZH100

    ‘Sarah takes on Big Oil: The compelling story of Governor Sarah Palin’s battle with Alaska’s
    ‘Big 3′ oil companies’ (by Kay Cashman and Kristen Nelson)

    Gov. Palin’s successful efforts to stop the cronyism and reform the energy business in Alaska were so impressive Kay Cashman, the publisher and executive editor of Petroleum News, wrote the book entitled: “Sarah Takes On Big Oil” .

    This is a must read for anyone who wants to understand the leadership Sarah Palin has exhibited in the area of reforming government and industry.

  • ZH100

    ‘Setting the Record Straight – Sarah Palin and Sex Education’

    From the article:

    "NPR got it wrong back in 2008. As did the The Washington Post, MSNBC, ABC News and The Wallstreet Journal .Unfortunately, many feminists have followed the misinformation of the mainstream media."

  • wodiej

    May You Always Feel Loved

    May you find serenity and tranquility in a world 
    You may not always understand.May the pain you have known and conflict you have experienced 
    Give you the strength to walk through life 
    Facing each new situation with courage and optimism.Always know that there are those whose love and understanding 
    Will always be there, even when you feel most alone.May you discover enough goodness in others 
    To believe in a world of peace.May a kind word, a reassuring touch, a warm smile be yours 
    Every day of your life, 
    And may you give these gifts as well as receive them.Remember the sunshine when the storm seems unending.Teach love to those who know hate, 
    And let that love embrace you as you go into the world.May the teaching of those you admire become part of you, 
    So that you may call upon them. 
    Remember, those whose lives you have touched 
    And who have touched yours are always a part of you, 
    Even if the encounters were less than you would have wished.
    It is the content of the encounter that is more important than it’s 
    form.May you not become too concerned with material matters, 
    But instead place immeasurable value on the goodness in your heart.Find time in each day to see the beauty and love in the world around 
    you.Realize that each person has limitless abilities, 
    But each of us is different in our own way. 
    What you may feel you lack in one regard 
    May be more than compensated for in another.
    What you feel you lack in the present 
    May become one of your strengths in the future.May you see your future as one filled with promise and possibility.
    Learn to view everything as a worthwhile experience.May you find enough inner strength to determine your own worth by 
    And not be dependent on another’s judgment of your accomplishments.May you always feel loved. 

    • MaMcGriz

       That’s really nice, wodiej. Did you write it?

  • ZH100

    How the Palin emails backfired on the media.

    ‘Sarah Palin email witch hunt backfires – squeaky clean good governor!’

    From the article:

    "The release of Sarah Palin’s emails backfires, as not only does she come off as squeaky clean, she looks like a very hard working governor by the looks of these communications. According to NPR, nothing of any concern was found among the thousands of Palin emails released."

    ‘American Way: Sarah Palin email frenzy backfires on her media antagonists’

    Form the article:

    "The trove of more than 13,000 emails detailing almost every aspect of Sarah Palin’s governorship of Alaska, released late on Friday, paints a picture of her as an idealistic, conscientious, humorous and humane woman slightly bemused by the world of politics.

    One can only assume that the Left-leaning editors who dispatched teams of reporters to remote Juneau, the Alaskan capital, to pore over the emails in the hope of digging up a scandal are now viewing the result as a rather poor return on their considerable investment.

    If anything, Mrs Palin seems likely to emerge from the scrutiny of the 24,000 pages, contained in six boxes and weighing 275 pounds, with her reputation considerably enhanced. As a blogger at Powerline noted, the whole saga might come to be viewed as “an embarrassment for legacy media”.

    ‘Operation Backfire: E-Mails Prove Sarah Palin Was A Great Governor’

    From the article:

    "Governor Palin conducted the business of her state in a transparent, bi-partisan, and responsible manner. She worked long, hard hours and treated everyone with respect. America is finding out that Palin is a smart, effective, fiscally responsible leader whose goal has always been to serve the people she represents.

    She knows how to prioritize, delegate, and choose the most qualified and competent people to serve with her. America is learning that even in the face of death threats from crazed liberals, Gov. Palin just kept working and putting Alaska and Alaskans first."

    ‘The Sarah Palin email mania backfires on the media’

    From the article:

    "As 13,000 emails of the former Governor of Alaska, Sarah Palin, were released on Friday, the Liberal main-stream media scurried down to Juneau, Alaska to collect 24,000 pages of what they thought could be a damning story.

    Dozens of major news publications released the 24,000 pages online to find something to smear the possible 2012 Republican contender, but their search came out dry.

    Instead, what they found was a hard-at-work governor leading the great state of Alaska.

    In detail, the emails display her down-to-earth tenure as governor and the policies she put in place while serving the 49th state."

    CNN finding that Palin was hard-working governor


    The real Sarah Palin  (March,2012)

    Emails reveal her to be an effective hands-on leader

    From the article:

    The Sarah Palin who emerges from the email dump isn’t the partisan snowbilly of media caricature. She’s a tough-minded reformer who took on Big Oil and corrupt members of her own party and beat them.

    Film shows Palin’s someone to admire

    From the article:

    "And it’s exactly what most Americans expected 24,000 pages of personal and business emails to reveal about former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin. Obsessive news hounds scrounged through pages and pages, looking for damning information that could wipe the outspoken conservative from America’s political scene.

    What they found, though not so widely publicized, was the inner workings of an efficient, informed and very involved governor that mounted an unprecedented 80 plus approval rating while in office. The people of Alaska loved her and appreciated her backbone and focus on making their state a better place."

    Palin: the emails, the Paul Revere flap, and the foolish media

    From the article:

    "Similarly, the mainstream media stands with egg dripping all over its face, yet again. Nothing in the emails contains the slightest hint that Palin was anything other than a hard-working Governor, a caring mother and wife, and an all-around good-natured human being…not exactly what the death squads of WaPo, the NYT, and other mainstream outlets had in mind.

    This shockingly laughable scenario is in sharp contrast to the manner in which the media handled Barack Obama, whom it woefully failed to properly investigate in 2007-08. Where were all of the reporters who should have been camped outside the door of domestic terrorist William Ayers, who launched Obama’s political career from his living room?"

    Rush on Palin’s emails: What a spectacular backfire!

    From the article:

    "Rush started his show today noting what a spectacular backfire on the media it was that Sarah Palin withstood the media looking for dirt in every syllable of her 24,000 emails. He wonders who else could have withstood such an analysis.

    Gov. Palin has been microscopically analyzed on an unprecedented level and she still comes up clean. I doubt anyone else could have withstood the intense scrutiny that she has undergone.

    • ZH100

      Politico: Emails Bolster the Message in ‘The Undefeated’ (June 11 2011)

      Form the article:

      "It says something when even the Politico, not exactly known for their unbiased Palin coverage, is conceding that this surreal “colonoscopy” by the cartoonish mainstream media is backfiring. And that’s exactly what it’s doing. Much to the media’s chagrin, the emails show a serious and highly effective executive who was in full control of her administration. As Tim Crawford indicated yesterday, everyone should read the emails."

      • TexS2012

        The media should have given up after this fiasco, her emails. Now they just look foolish and have to resort to third party rumor and speculation whenever Sarah Palin speaks hoping they can turn her words and actions to their benefit. Sarah’s one liners don’t help them very much! LOL.

  • TexS2012

    It’s amazing everywhere you go people are talking about Tebow! "Just let him play" is what I hear!
    He put on 10 lbs. for Ryan?!? No one will be watching the Jets game today, right?!?

  • Elwanda Burrell

    Vote for Joey Junker…..Necksled 15 he is Bristol Palin’s friend.

    • GeraldGoff


  • Pete Petretich

    "Obama Golfs with Buddy Busted for Soliciting Prostitute"

    What if Sarah Palin did something like that? Double standard, anyone?

  • Pete Petretich

    Should we start referring to the Boehner/Cantor/Ryan/McCarthy faction as the Corrupt Bastards Club?

    • palin45potus

      You mean "Young Guns" didn’t do it for you?

      I wonder why that wasn’t called "Inflammatory Rhetoric"?  Perhaps because all 3 of them are truly DC insiders and it’s all posturing for a sycophantic press.  Kinda like the new PAC that George P Bush has called "Maverick" or some such thing.  

      They’ll have us convinced that he’s John Wayne and Ronald Reagan all rolled into one if we listen to them.

      Precisely why Sarah Palin scares the bejeezus out of them.  Her very existence reveals them for the charlatans that they are.

      • Pete Petretich

        Paul Ryan has gotten rich off of being a policy wonk. Little people like us could never do that.

  • Jean_A

    Good morning, C4P!

    I stand with Sarah Palin.

  • technopeasant

    Thinking long and hard to why the GOP (which includes grassroots conservatives) has consistently lost the popular vote in the last two decades in presidential elections, whether one is a traditionalist or an iconoclast, one can summon up many arcane political theories or demographic formulas, discuss the merits of the array of campaign strategies employed or those employing them, or cite the varied bouts of Republican/conservative political inadequacy or personal ineptitude witnessed firsthand or spotlighted by the media but as a simpleton I believe in boiling things down to the lowest common denominator to why the Republican Party, akin to the hapless Buffalo Bills, have been a prime example of utter futility over the last six election cycles.

    If there is one word to focus on it is AMMUNITION.

    In other words if conservatives do their due diligence and closely examine the many aspects of the word AMMUNITION, they will be left imho with the same conclusion as mine, namely that an underlying factor that has consigned our side to holding the short end of the stick is the lack of AMMUNITION used during these election cycles or that we have not made the best use of the AMMUNITION which we had available to us.

    So here are 10 aspects of AMMUNITION to reflect on and in so doing I will also inject examples of the use of AMMUNITION during WWII to help make my case:

    1) The definition of AMMUNITION as it relates to weapons, explosive materials, bullets, gunpowder, or facts and information that can be used to support a point of view in an argument presumes the WILL or GUMPTION to employ AMMUNITION at all. In war, AMMUNITION is meant to be used for one purpose and one purpose only: to kill or maim the enemy or destroy his resources. AMMUNITION is not manufactured to remain in inventory or to collect dust.

    Would the current version of the GOP have authorized the dropping of the atomic bomb over Japan?

    In the past 20 years, has the GOP always been fully engaged on the political battlefield and has it always been willing to drop its full payload to destroy the enemy or have too many folks on our side behaved like "desk jockeys", noncombatants, or pacifists and worried more about "the rules of engagement" and the political fallout from overzealous bombing?

    In the last six election cycles has the GOP ever lowered the boom on the Left?  

    2) The optimum use of AMMUNITION presupposes that one has been trained in the use of AMMUNITION, exhibits proficiency in its use and is able or capable of delivering AMMUNITION in a timely fashion. Targets may be plentiful but if planners cannot properly priortize them or if the soldiers can’t hit the broad side of a barn what good is manufacturing top-notch AMMUNITION?

    Even if it can be argued that the GOP hierarchy really has gotten behind the maximum use of political AMMUNITION, can an argument also be made that the aptitude or talent of some of the "tradesmen" has been less than stellar or that the AMMUNITION deployed has NOT been used at the opportune moment, psychological moment, the moment of truth or to take down Leftist strongholds or where they are the most vulnerable?

    Timely incompetence, weak character, faulty judgment, poor decision-making, or The Peter Principle. Take you pick to why GOP AMMUNITION has failed to deliver knockout blows or at least knocked the Left for a severe loop. .

    3) Then you have members of the GOP who operate off plans that have been brainstormed and well-constructed but the soldiers continually miss the mark because they cannot see the target clearly or cannot locate the target at all. The difference between #2 and #3 is that in the case of the former it is more an organizational problem while in the case of the latter it is a problem of follow-through or lack of execution rather than a misallocation of resources or faulty training methods.

    This is equivalent to Allied bombers flying over Germany not being able to see through a dense fog and thus unable to drop its bombs over the areas they had been assigned to bomb or not being sure they should drop the bombs at all because they need to be 100% sure they are over the target.

    The GOP are like commanders who are worried too much about the fallout of bombing civilians or non-military sites. And in so doing the enemy is not made more vulnerable and finds it easier to resist any overtures on our part because of our habit of hesitating before acting.

    4) The weapons/guns have been spiked so they cannot be discharged properly or the gunpowder has been removed or reduced to a bare minimum so it doesn’t have enough impact or charge to kill an opponent, but only to temporarily immobilize him.

    Bomb bay doors don’t open, torpedos don’t explode after they hit paydirt, rifles jam because of poor firing pins.

    Shooting blanks is the equivalent of a fifth column neutralizing our firepower or our ability to wreak havoc on the opposition.

    5) The AMMUNITION does NOT match up with the weapon of choice or the wrong weapon is employed regardless of the AMMUNITION used.

    I am NOT a gun expert but I do know there are different kinds of AMMUNITION as there are different kinds of bait to catch different kinds of fish.

    And a simple rifle in WWII could not take down a tank while a bazooka could.

    Imho, the GOP has a habit of using the wrong AMMUNITION for what they want to promote while in the words of Sean Connery in The Untouchables, we are more than likely to bring a knife to a gunfight.

    6) At times AMMUNITION fails to function as intended and in technical terms the weapon MISFIRES, commonly becomes knows as a DUD. Or the barrage backfires, boomerangs, or explodes in your face and you get hoisted by your own petard because you have miscalculated the damage inflicted to yourself or that it may result in a Pyrrhic victory.

    The best laid plans of mice and men.

    7) The payload or weaponry is NOT sufficient to take the target out. Our side does not realize the enemy has reinforced its positions which we may have considered previously vulnerable and the latest intelligence may not have disclosed that. The appropriate use of AMMUNITION must reflect the current conditions on the ground.

    From a political point of view I have always wondered how good Republican reconnaissance is and whether what the GOP planners assume is often outdated.

    8) Lack of AMMUNITION to launch a major assault regardless if it is true or not

    During the last year of WWII, the Germans launched very few assaults or advanced because they needed to conserve their limited resources.

    Is the GOP capable of launching a major assault on the Democrats? Or does it feel compelled to follow a lower-risk strategy of protecting all its flanks? How much AMMUNITION is available to the GOP during election campaigns? Or how much AMMUNITION does our side waste by focusing its guns on conservatives?

    9) The enemy/opponent has more FIREPOWER (including manpower) or strategically uses its AMMUNITION to generate better results. They get "a bigger bang for their buck."

    The Left and the MSM piggyback off each other while the GOP consistently does not hit a home run with its political campaigns.  Does the GOP have to invest twice as much on AMMUNITION as the Democrats to get the same results?

    10) Our side uses its AMMUNITION on too many targets or deploys its AMMUNITION in locations which the Left is not all that vulnerable.

    Imho the GOP have no comprehensive plan to utilize AMMUNITION to attack the underbelly of the Left and cause the Democrats to alter its game plan. I do wonder if the GOP has the desire and ability to expose our enemy and if funneling AMMUNITION to high-priority targets is indeed a high priority.  

    Why is Republican AMMUNITION not causing more political destruction and mayhem?

    Our side has a finite amount of AMMUNITION. Is some of it wasted on fool’s errands?

    • palin45potus

      Good stuff as usual!

      OT-but right up your alley-

      Tebow to Jax while Jets contemplate Vick.  What a scenario!

      If Tebow turns Jacksonville into a winner while Vick takes the Jets to a ridiclous new low, will the press ever admit it?

      A side note.  I read that last spring, when the Colts were deciding what to do with Andrew Luck and Peyton Manning, a not-insignificant factor was the friendship of Archie Manning and Oliver Luck, who were teammates way back when and remain friends to this day.  Throw in the connection of Jim Harbaugh at Stanford and John Elway from Stanford (BTW-Elway graduated from Stanford in 1983 and Harbaugh graduated from Palo Alto High School ACROSS THE STREET in 1983 so they go way back as well) and the tight little circle of the NFL world is pretty obvious.

      Too bad for Tebow that he didn’t have these connections.  He will do well in Jacksonville, however, and I for one will be cheering them on.  Maybe they should really think out of the box and consider hiring Doug Flutie as offensive coordinator.

      • Laddie_Blah_Blah

        The new paradigm in the NFL is the running QB – RGIII, Kaepernick, Newton, Wilson – and no one is a tougher runner than Tebow.  Put him in the pistol offense with some decent blocking and a good tailback and watch the Jags roll.  No one has stopped the pistol, yet, not even the Patriots.  The Jags need a head coach and an offensive coordinator with enough imagination  to run the pistol, and to get the personnel to support it.  Tim will take care of the rest.

        • Right_Wingnut

          Those other QBs you mentioned can throw the ball in addition to their running abilities.

          • c4pfan

            Tebow didn’t even play!

            • Right_Wingnut

              Why didn’t be play? I doubt they traded for him to sit on the bench. Obviously, they didn’t like what they saw. I’d like to play too, so we can lay this debate to rest. He succeeded in the perfect system for a guy like that in Denver, but you can only go so far completing 5-10 passes a game. We have the same thing in Minnesota with Ponder.

              • Laddie_Blah_Blah

                "… but you can only go so far completing 5-10 passes a game."

                Uh, huh.  And he led the Broncos to the playoffs last year.  And where did Ryan and Sanchez lead the Jets this year?  The Jags head coach didn’t want him, either, and went with a conventional pocket passer journeyman, instead.  Going into week 16, the Jags were 2 -13.

                Tebow is a leader who knows how to win.  The Skins revamped their entire offense to take advantage  of RG3’s skills as a ball handler, runner, and passer.  RG3 did not take many, if any, snaps under center while he was at Rice.  So what?  If Ryan had been smart enough to do the same with Tebow as Shanahan did with RG3, instead of going with a conventional hack like Sanchez, they would have been much better off and would have had a much better record.  

                Ryan is the loser, not Tebow.

          • Laddie_Blah_Blah

            Tebow can throw, too.  It’s his passing mechanics that need working.  For instance, when he winds up to throw, he brings the ball down below his waist instead of keeping it up high above his shoulder before release.  That makes his release slower and more vulnerable to a pass rushing lineman trying to knock the ball out of his hands.  His passing mechanics can be corrected.

            A 250 lb. rampaging bull of a runner presents the defense with problems in the pistol that would keep a defensive coordinator up nights, especially when he can throw the ball the way Tim can.

          • CBDenver

            I remember back when Vince Ferragamo played for the LA Rams.  He was the "perfect" quarterback.  Tall, graceful, beautiful throwing motion.  But he did not have what it takes to win games, despite all his visual appeal as a player.  Looks can be deceiving, those who say Tebow can’t throw ignore the fact that he does know how to win games despite his unconventional style.  As Laddie says, give him a coach who wants to work with his strengths and you will have a winning team.

            • barracuda43

              Merry Christmas CBDenver!

    • Audrey_I

      Using the tactics of Saul Alinsky is a good way to insure the most efficient use of ammunition. 

      Select the target, focus on the target, ridicule the target and destroy the target is an excellent example of turning the tactics of the Left against themselves.

      It is essential for conservatives to have access to reliable news organizations that can get the message out and neutralize the message of the corrupt mainstream media.  

    • generictrainee

      The "Obama is a nice guy" campaign from both mccain and mitt says it all.

      Incompetence or intentional surrender from GOPE ? Does not matter anymore.

      Big goverment isn’t a threat to them they think , so they dont fight.

      That’s why I think Palin should call out the consultant class and GOPE, they’re a harm.

      • Audrey_I

        The GOPE is part of the Ruling Class.  The Ruling Class consists of Republicans and Democrats who use the taxing, regulatory and spending power of the Federal Government to gain power and enrich themselves.  The Ruling Class want a bigger, socialistic Federal government to have move control over the people.  The Ruling Class considers the remaining ninety nine percent of Americans as the common masses. 

        • generictrainee

          Yes,the ruling class cooperated to cut Palin out from "their" market.  Her only political future is to damage them.

  • jester2939

    Good morning from Billy Graham’s neck of the woods in Asheville, NC! It’s a frosty 25, and it feels like Christmas. Heading over the Smokeys today to our cabin on the Tennessee side. Later guys!

    • MaMcGriz

       Hope you get to stop and visit Lookout Mountain near Chattanooga.

      • jester2939

        Can’t do it this time, but I’ve been there before. It’s really cool.

  • paul
  • John_Frank

    Good morning.

    Fiscal Cliff and True Reform: Short-Term Band-Aids and Long-Term Constructive Surgery

    Published by the Economics Group at Wells Fargo Bank, it is worth taking the time to read.

    (h/t Gelston)

    If Congress and the President continue to kick the political log jam of fiscal policy choices down the road, without coming forward with meaningful and true reform we are in for a very rough ride indeed.

    The agreement that was being negotiated between the Speaker and the President does not represent true reform, but is just another "short term patch;" and not a good one at that.

    While many will disagree, since it means every one’s taxes going up and the sequestration legislation being implemented, at least in the short term, we would be better of with no agreement, than a bad one.

    In that regard, this observation is quite appropriate:

    As we said last week, it is becoming clearer by the hour that Obama’s real goal in his “negotiations” with Speaker Boehner is not to solve the federal government’s spending, deficit and debt crisis — or even to raise more revenue for his spending programs. It is to take back the majority in the House by destroying the Republican brand as the party of fiscal conservatism.

    Boehner Happily Walking Into Obama’s Trap

    IMV it was pure folly for the Speaker to even move forward with the tax portion of Plan B given that Majority Leader Reid said he would not take up the bill and the President would veto it.

    Once negotiations fell apart on Monday, he should have pressed ahead with the bill dealing with the sequestration legislation, and then "punted."

    Remind everyone that the House had already passed a bill in the summer extending the existing tax rates for another year, to allow time to put together meaningful tax reform, call the Senate to act and then adjourn the House for the Christmas Holidays.

    This would have left the Senate Democrats and President Obama with the ball. Either follow the lead of the House or watch as everyone’s taxes go up, and the sequestration legislation is implemented.

    In taking this approach, the Speaker would have avoided the legislative embarrassment that took place on Thursday evening, while standing on principle, (and to analogize from how Anatoly Sharansky dealt with the Soviet Union) by zig-zagging when the media, the GOP political consultants and the President were telling him to walk straight, while proceeding to sit in the snow.

    That written, with the collapse of the plan B tax bill, he needs to start standing on principle.

    P.S. I believe using the analogy of Anatoly Sharansky is appropriate, given that Obama was elected and re-elected with the endorsement of the Communist Party USA, and it is time for Republicans in the House and the Senate to follow Sarah Palin’s lead and start speaking the truth.

    • CBDenver

      This is a very interesting article and quite different from most of the analysis that I read from investment firms.   Thanks for posting.

      • John_Frank

        You are welcome, but people really need to thank Gelston. He was the one who initially posted the link over at in the weekend thread titled:

        "It’s Really Beginning To Look Like Christmas."

        People may also want to read:

        The Great California Exodus:
        A Closer Look

        (h/t Gelston)

        This policy paper explains why California is doomed under the management of Governor Brown and the Democrats.

        The policy paper is also a warning for the rest of America, given the policies of the Obama administration and the national Democrats mirror the policies implemented in California of high taxation, allowing the public sector unions to dictate policy, high labor and electricity costs, along with over regulation. This has caused businesses and wealthy individuals to leave California, resulting in high unemployment along with fiscal instability, leading to an inability of the State and local Governments to be able to deliver the needed public services.

        If people want to see America’s future, if the Democrats and the Obama administration have their way at the national level, look no further than the failing State of California.

        • CBDenver

          Yesterday I linked to a report by the California legislative analyst office that predicted a rosy future for CA — with a lot of overly otimistic caveats.  I believe news stories of CA’s so-called rebound are propaganda to to support federal tax increases (as CA passed a tax increase in Nov). 

          • John_Frank

            I believe news stories of CA’s so-called rebound are propaganda to to support federal tax increases (as CA passed a tax increase in Nov).


  • Patriot41

    I would love to see the Panthers pick him up, but that is pretty doubtful that they would have such insight.  I am sure Tim would rather go to a team where he has a chance to start a game now and then.

    Tim faces the same problem that Sarah does, in the sense that he is proud of his faith and refuses to be intimidated for his belief in Christ.  How sad it has become in our country, when good and capable people are discriminated upon for their faith.

    • Right_Wingnut

      No, Tebow just isn’t that good at this level. If he was being shunned for his faith, the Jets wouldn’t have traded for him.

      • Audrey_I

        Tim Tebow was never given a chance to prove his talent at New York.   He turned a losing season for the Denver Broncos around.  The University of Florida had the best seasons in the past hundred years while Tebow played for the Gators.

        • Polarbearpapa

          Trudat..He holds a number of records at the college level, a lot of awards, ..I tend to think this has a lot to do with the coach and his approach to Tebow and his faith….and how he wants to run his team….Tebow  does not fit his game plan…Tim needs to go where a coach needs a mobile quarterback in his game plan…

        • Right_Wingnut

          The history books are littered with QBs who were stars in college, but couldn’t adjust to the pro game. Gino Toretta won the Heisman, and ended up being a third string QB in the NFL.

          I would like to see Tebow succeed, but until I see him develop a passing game, I’m not sold. Good guy, or not, I have to look at it objectively. I see a lot of overreach among his fans.

          • Independantminded

            For Tebow to be successful he would have to start from scratch and learn how to throw a football all over again. His delivery and mechanics make it hard for him to consistently deliver a football on target, I haven’t noticed any change in his delivery since turning pro and can’t believe no one has worked on this with him. Kurt Warner is a devout a Christian as there is and it never seemed to hurt him, I really don’t believe his faith is why he doesn’t play. Tebow is a wonderful person and I couldn’t like him any more, but right now he doesn’t have the skill set to be a NFL quarterback.

            • Audrey_I

              Let’s not forget, Tebow turned a losing season for the Denver Bronchos and turned it into a winning one.  Tebow can play and compete in the pros. 

              • Independantminded

                I don’t know I’ve been following pro ball for 45 years, the game has turned into pass first and run second and that isn’t his game.

      • c4pfan

        They never let him play. 

      • Patriot41

        Having been a football coach many years ago Wingnut, my job was to teach players the game.  In the process, it was hoped that there would be improvement in each of those players, that is what coaches are supposed to be doing.  No professional coach should expect a player coming out of college, to be good at the professional level.  It is the job of the coach to properly train him to be good at that level.  Tebow, even without proper professional training, is good at what he does and has all kinds of potential to become great.  However, because of his outward profession of his faith, he has been targeted for defeat, that is very evident when you consider the remarks made not only by some football players, but by most of the broadcast sports media.  If you can’t see and hear this, I feel sorry for you.

        • MaMcGriz

          Spot on. Thank you.

           And it’s clear to me it’s because he’s a white Christian that this is taking place. If he were black his faith would be an asset or at most be a non-issue.

          It wasn’t all that long ago I was thankful to see the brothers on the field lead this nation in taking a knee and acknowledging Him. I took it then as a good and hopeful sign.

          Today it’s open season on whites, ala barky. The media are the ones who sanction it and give it its voice. The theme is clear: it’s payback time (valeri jerrett) and get whitey. (thank you naacp et al) and being pro-life equals becoming an open target. There’s been so much of it one hardly needs to look far for examples. Tim and his Mom have come to represent the faces of this insidiously dark-hearted movement in America.

          In my view our black conservative community will continue to be the voice of sanity, and those who reject the false racism and hypocrisy of obama and his lap dog media will emerge as leaders in shaping the discussion on both race and faith.

          May G-d continue to bless and prosper Tim and his family. 

        • Right_Wingnut

          Another poster made a good point. Why did Warner not get the same criticism?

          I assume you didn’t coach in the NFL.

          • Patriot41

            No, I did not coach in the NFL, but had players that went to the NFL.  When you are coaching young athletes, you look at their capabilities and their weaknesses.   You of course try to correct their weaknesses and improve on their capabilities.  Tebow has a problem with his passing game that could easily be rectified, if he had proper coaching by a professional coach.  Having watched him only a few times, it is quite evident to me that he knows the game, reads the defense well and can take command of the offense, as a good quarter back should be able to do.  Because of his ability to scramble, he is a double threat and could become a very valuable asset to any team that worked with his capabilities.  When he has good pocket protection, he can pass as well as most professional quarterbacks in the game today.  He also has a very positive attitude, that is a necessary element for any great player.  There is nothing wrong with Tim that cannot be corrected.

            I don’t know why Warner did not get the criticism that Tebow has gotten for his faith.  Perhaps Tim was more obvious about it or too demonstrative about it for his time.  One could easily say, that not many players can or will live up to the spiritual standards that Tim has set.  That may just be the reason that he is resented by some of those on the field, I really don’t know.  I don’t pay much attention to the talking heads in the booth, because they always try to impress listeners that they know more then the coach on the field and his players.  They never lost their ego after they left the game. 

      • hrandym

         Yes,and Roger Staubach, "Roger the Dodger",  and Fran Tarkenton weren’t that good either, were they?  There is no disadvantage in having a quarterback that can escape capture, run, and pass the ball as well.

        I’m not a football fan of any degree, but I do recall the reluctance to play Roger Staubach when he joined the Cowboys following his Navy service.  He was successful nearly every time he was played.

        Fran Tarkenton never won the Superbowl, but I’ll say that he was one of the greatest of all times.  I did love to watch him play.

        Of course, both Tarkenton and Staubach have been recognized for their accomplishments.   They were team leaders, and I believe that makes a big difference.  Tebow fits that bill.   Given a chance, Tebow may as well make his mark.

        • blueniner

          You make a good case, with your two examples of Tarkington and Staubach, they could scramble enough to create something out of nothing as well as escape danger. Joe Montana had a knack for creating something out of nothing using his feet and making big plays.

          • senator20526

             ….and Montana was not know for throwing long passes….Rice would just catch the short pass and run a long way……

        • Right_Wingnut

          Both of those guys could throw. Tarkenton was far more mobile than Tebow is. LOL.

          • JApost

            the Pittsburgh Steelers(ranked #1 in pass defense) thought the same thing last year before Tebow gutted them for 316 yards in the playoffs. They no longer think Tebow "cain’t throw". Tebow is a very accurate deep ball passer. Just ask Chuck Lebeau.

            • Right_Wingnut

              One game does not make an NFL star. What about all the games where he only completed like 4-5 passes?

          • hrandym

             I wish I cared more about football, but regrettably I don’t.  But Tebow needs a chance to do again whatever he did at Denver that got him so much attention.  Let’s give him a chance, OK?

  • John_Frank

    While some will disagree with the following analysis, it is worth taking the time to read:

    The Crisis of American Conservatism: Inherent Contradictions and the End of the Road

    If one puts together the various speeches that Governor Palin has given since early 2011, along with her various interviews, FB notes and her two books, it is clear that not only has she thought about these concerns, but she has laid out a set of policy approaches which would lead to a revival and renewal of American conservatism, resulting in electoral victory and a set of policies that would greatly benefit the American people.

    Sad that the GOP establishment is not listening.

    Update: The reader will want to note the following comment by narciso about this piece:

    Well right off the back, there are flaws in that piece, the first intervention in Lebanon was ’58 not ’64, the Reagan administration underestimated the role of Hezbollah as Iran’s proxy, the neocons were cut out of much of that policy, with the Iraq card, and other such measures.

    See also the writer’s comment in reply:

    • palin45potus

      They seem content to be the recessive party and collect the leftovers, which must be quite abundant.

      Life is so much easier that way for them, just one big happy club.  Pretend to fight while always having a secret agreement ready to pull out after the "Big Crisis" is averted by these wise men, and struck just at the last second so that everyone can go home for Christmas.  Makes me warm all over!

      And then, on to the next manufactured crisis for them to "Solve".

      They can play this game forever, and as long as they can have "Sarah Palin leave the room" they can pontificate and bloviate for each other while we sink into the abyss of serfdom.

      And they get all lathered up for Hillary versus Jeb, the 2 single most qualified people who can be found to help us through these tough times.

      • Polarbearpapa

        "and they get all lathered up for Hillary versus Jeb, the 2 single most qualified people who can be found to help us through these tough times."

        ..did you mean the 2 most unqualified people"?

        • palin45potus

          I failed to note my sarcasm!

          Actually, from the Ruling Class POV they are indeed the perfect duo. Followed by the tandem of Chelsea and George P.

          Because when "Too Big to Fail" is combined with the DC-NYC power combo of big money protected by legislators who benefit from the "Investments" they are privy to, then the only order of business is to protect that status-quo at all costs.

          Which is precisely where Sarah Palin is seen as the skunk at their picnic.

          Which is where the "Hollywood" portion of their triumvirate comes into play. Have you ever noticed that even when a celebrity meets the Palin’s and says how impressed they are with them, it’s always after the mea culpa of noting that they disagree with her politics.

          Exactly what is it that they disagree with? Is it that she hunts? Because unless they are vegetarians, then they are hypocrites. If it’s because she didn’t abort her child, then shame on them, and it says more about them than they even know. If it’s about her thoughts on energy policy, then perhaps they should read about Alaska’s policies and compare them to the actual policies that have been enacted by DC. Maybe look at Al Gore’s bank account and ask themselves whether or not he’s cynically used the issue of AGW to get filthy rich.

          I guess it’s easier to just loudly complain about the McCain campaign using the song "Barracuda" to introduce her, as though she was cynically stealing it from the Wilson sisters. Like Sarah Heath as a teenager who liked that song had to decide then and there that the Wilson’s promoted a libertine lifestyle and so she wasn’t welcome at their concerts!

          Anyways, Washington DC, Wall Street NYC and Hollywood Entertainment. All getting rich off of the present system while the country continues to slide into the abyss.

          Because Sarah is a direct threat to the DC sector, which would then subject the Wall Street sector to increased scrutiny, the Hollywood sector is turned loose in full Alinsky mode to poison her name in the eyes of the dumbed-down electorate before she can persuade them that they are being taken to the cleaners by the existing power structure.

          • Polarbearpapa

            I thought you were being sarcastic…..I was just making sure…..

            Hillary’s record of accomplishment is anything but stellar……after riding her husbands coattails to a NY Senate seat(with a straight Democrat voting record)….she took a SOS job from Obama and has shown a total lack of ability to even perform that job at the lowest level……

    • narciso

       Well right off the back, there are flaws in that piece, the first intervention in Lebanon was ’58 not ’64, the Reagan administration underestimated the role of Hezbollah as Iran’s proxy, the neocons were cut out of much of that policy, with the Iraq card, and other such measures,

      • John_Frank

        Agreed and thank you for pointing out these facts.

        My reason for posting the piece was that:

        – Some people have been arguing in favor of Republicans becoming the White person’s party. IMV this is a deeply flawed strategy.

        – We need to end the influence of the crony capitalists from big business and big finance.

        – We need a re-think on foreign policy, especially in how we deal with China and the Islamists.

        – Republicans should not be afraid to engage with minorities. The virtues and benefits of Freedom transcends all boundaries.

        – In pushing social issues to the back burner in the last election, the Romney campaign left the field open, allowing the Obama campaign to run the field with identity politics.

        It is interesting to note that Peggy Noonan was pushing this piece, which I believe reflects the beginning of the GOPe push for Jeb Bush in 2016.

        • narciso

           You’re welcome, I don’t like the way that Techno has put it on occasion, unless we are talking about as a proxy for a defense of civilization, and constitution element, in that case, a Scott, a Reich, a Yoo, are equal representatives, If Noonan is pushing it, you know you have the wrong question,

  • John_Frank

    How ‘Cliff’ Talks Hit the Wall
    Behind Scenes, Boehner Failed to Sell Republicans on Taxes, While Obama’s Spending Plans Rankled

    After reading this report, the only conclusion one can reach is the same as that enunciated by Professor Jacobson:

    Could Republican handling of the “fiscal cliff” negotiations be any worse?

    "You Get Nothing, I Get That For Free"

    • Audrey_I

      The Republican House needs to pass a bill with all the Bush Tax Cuts and sweeten the measure with some additional middle class tax breaks to offset the increased taxes from ObamaCare.  Send it to the Senate and challenge Dingy Harry to pass it.  The Republicans in the Senate should engage in Parliamentary maneuvering to force the Democrats to oppose it and Obama to veto it.

      Boehner should have had enough sense to realize that you do not negotiate with the Devil.  Everyone who negotiates with Der Teufel comes out on the worst end.

      • John_Frank

        The Republican House needs to pass a bill with all the Bush Tax Cuts and sweeten the measure with some additional middle class tax breaks to offset the increased taxes from ObamaCare.  Send it to the Senate and challenge Dingy Harry to pass it.  The Republicans in the Senate should engage in Parliamentary maneuvering to force the Democrats to oppose it and Obama to veto it.

        Actually, House Republicans do not need to go that far.

        In the summer, the House passed a bill extending the Bush / Obama tax rates for another year, to allow Congress to develop a plan for sound tax reform.

        Job Protection and Recession Prevention Act of 2012

        The legislation passed with bi-partisan support in the House.

        Roll Call Vote:

        To date, the Senate has refused to take up the bill.

        On Friday, the Speaker reminded everyone of this legislation, calling upon the Senate and the President to act.

        This has left Majority Leader Reid and the President yammering, because neither of them wants to pick up the ball, instead pressuring the Speaker to come back to the table.

        The Speaker needs to tell the President that no agreement can be reached at this juncture, given the position taken by the White House during the negotiations and the unwillingness of the House to pass the tax legislation put forward on Thursday.

        If the Senate Democrats and the President want to avoid everyone’s taxes going up, and the sequestration legislation being implemented, the Senate needs to pass and the President needs to sign the Job Protection and Recession Prevention Act of 2012, along with the bill passed by the House on Thursday dealing with the sequestration legislation (sorry do not know the short title).

        After listening to an incensed President, the Speaker needs to inform him that the House Republican position is firm and then politely end the conversation.

        One of the major problems with the stance taken by the Speaker throughout this whole process is that he has been too anxious to strike an agreement with the President.

        • Polarbearpapa

          Actually…Boehner needs to grow a set…..and be willing to ride the storm…..

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