Governor Palin: What are we succumbing to, America? Army orders removal of Christian symbols from a chapel





 

Governor Palin exposes how even the US military is allowing political correctness to creep into the ranks by disrespecting the freedom to express religion through Christian symbols. Responding  to Todd Starne’s article about the US Army ordering the removal of a cross and steeple at a church in Afghanistan:

What are we succumbing to, America? The army orders "the removal of Christian symbols from a chapel." I wonder what they’ll make of my son and all the other soldiers with their numerous Christian symbols tattooed on their warrior bodies? What say you, politicians, about America’s finest protecting us in these war zones who will NOT be "removing their Steeples, Crosses, Bible Verses, etc." to adhere to this new nonsensical political correctness?

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  • friskyness

    God Bless Sarah!

  • http://twitter.com/moemoll moemoll

    There’s Someone looking down at this and all the other things that America seems to be allowing, even EMBRACING, and saying to Himself, "Just keep it up!".

  • onparade

    why does obama keep drawing flies…do they know something we dont….

    • http://twitter.com/moemoll moemoll

        Because he is their "lord"?
        Or one of his minions?
        Nah, just BO, like his first and last initials.

      • alien4palin

         Just BO is right!!! LOL

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Carolyn-Dixon/100000062171632 Carolyn Dixon

       maybe they can smell the stench coming from his head/body.

    • patnatasha

      he is satan.

  • John B. Hefmier

    Removing Christian symbols from Military chapels is the equilivant to  KFC removing chicken from their menus, to prevent the sensitivity to chicken lovers. 

    • GeraldGoff

      military chapels serve up more than just ‘chicken’.  a miltary chapel may be ‘kfc’ serving up christian services at 10am.  At 12 it may be serving up jewish services. and at 1400 it may be serving up muslim services

  • Guest

    How odd that citizens now need to defend and fight for our military’s right of religious freedom when it is our military that preserves those freedoms for us.

  • GeraldGoff

    For once i have to disagree with the gov.  this is not political correctness.  There are certain realities when our armed forces consist of more than just christians.  All facilities are multi use by different religions.  All symbols of a particular religion are supposed to be temporary and removable.

      There are additional realities when are troops are in a forward position in a muslim coun try.

    Army Regulation 165-1, 12-3k states:”The chapel environment will be religiously neutral when the facility is not being used for scheduled worship. Portable religious symbols, icons, or statues may be used within a chapel during times of religious worship.”

    “Symbols are to be moved or covered when not in use during services. Distinctive religious symbols, such as crosses, crucifixes, the Star of David, Menorah, and other religious symbols will not be affixed or displayed permanently on the chapel interior, exterior, or grounds. Permanent or fixed chapel furnishings, such as the altar, pulpit, lectern, or communion rail will be devoid of distinctive religious symbols.”

    • Lemuel Vargas

      Then they must do the same to the jewish symbols and muslim symbols if it became prominently displayed in those chapels. Equal footing, as they say..

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/JHM27SE26N253WDURJFH6XSCOI George

        With respect, that is in the regulation -  "Distinctive religious symbols, such as crosses, crucifixes, the Star of David, Menorah, and other religious symbols….."

        We can disagree strongly with the regulation but that is what is says.

    • John_Frank

      Yes, the Starnes article, which Governor Palin linked too cites the regulation.

      It is okay for people to wave a gay pride flag around a forward base in Afghanistan, but not have a Christian symbol on a place of worship?

      When we start saying, because we are in a Muslim country, our troops can’t show that we are not Muslim, than our troops should leave.

      Time to leave.

    • raiderlou

      Agree, the building is used by soldiers of many different religions. Not only is it cost effective (one place for all) but it respects our troops and their individual faiths. The portability of symbols is a no brainer to accommodate all of our men and women who serve this country. If we are to respect them who serve us so bravely then we also need to respect each of their faiths as well. Sometimes people forget that we are a melting pot and not everyone is a christian. If a person is willing to lay their life down for us then we damn sure better be able to give them a place to worship and pray about it. It’s really not that hard to understand.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/JHM27SE26N253WDURJFH6XSCOI George

      As I posted on the Open thread yesterday, Army Regulation 165-1 is not recent.  It is dated  25 March 2004, so I can’t see they had much choice but to follow the rules.  To change this state of affairs, the regulation needs to be changed.

      If you want to read it, the relevant bit, quoted by Gerald Goff, is on p. 33 – http://chaplain.ng.mil/resources/documents/ar165_1.pdf

      Note:  the link opens a PDF

    • alien4palin

      Bravo to Sarah for speaking out. She is a long, long way ahead of the curve of most people alive today and fully understood what is at stake in America, and by domino effect to the rest of the world.

      In this instance, I totally agree with Sarah in sentiment because under the guise of political correctness by the left and Islam to undermine those who practice Christian faith. If all Americans accept what the left (Dhimmi who are morally bankrupt with interchangeable values that serve their agenda at any given time) and Islam is pushing, we are heading down a disastrous slope, for America and all good decent people everywhere. We are effectively turning our clock back to the 7th century.

      By allowing minority rights to dictate and trump over majority rights in America is insulting and an abandonment of the atrocious plight of minorities everywhere living under socialist/Communist and Islamic regimes.

      The War (1400 years) between Christianity and Islam has never ended and continues to the present day. In the past, they fought it out in the battle field, today, it is guerrilla war by attrition.

      I am a humanist but I strive to live my daily life as a "christian" person and treat my fellow human beings the same. The fundamental values of the cornerstone of humanity is commonly shared by all people who strive to be good, decent human beings. The wise teaching of Jesus is universally in common with most religions except the Socialists/Communists (Dhimmi) and Islam.

    • Abby4

      Looks like you’ve got several P-gates loons that agree with you.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Lou-Welz/100000314828401 Lou Welz

    Obama ‘s low information voters like the fact that Obama is shucking and jiving us. Palin catches him every time he tries it. Cuts him off at the pass. The Obots hate her for it. ### 

  • wodiej

    It’s a time of discipline for America right now.  For years we have allowed this to go on.  

    We have sent our kids to public schools to be indoctrinated. 

    We have voted for politicians instead of promoting people like Gov. Palin who are true public servants and know the foundation of our country has always been limited government.  

    We have dangerously veered away from love, compassion, hard work, responsibility, frugality and even self control.  We overindulge ourselves with food, material possessions and the words of Jesus and our loved ones took a back seat.  We’ve complained about this demise yet do little to change it.  

    Not that long ago liberalism looked much different.  The views differed from conservatism in some respects but not all.  Many w liberal views also embraced responsibility, hard work, integrity and frugality.  But the more judgmental, self-righteous, intolerant and arrogant conservatives grew to be, the more divided we became.  It has become so bad that someone as radical as obama got elected not once, but twice.  A man with no relevant experience to running a country whatsoever and certainly not the USA.  We can try to place the blame and point our finger in many different directions.  But the fault lies w the person looking back in the mirror.  

    While I do not agree w Gov. Palin 100% of the time, I do respect and admire her because when she does not agree w someone’s views she simply states she does not share that view.  She does not name call, she does not hate, she is not intolerant.  She loves people anyway, shows respect, is friends with them and works with them.  That is what a true Christian heart does. Sadly many people are just speaking the words but not matching it with their behavior. God needs to use those who follow his words to help others learn to follow Him.  If we don’t emulate our actions with these words, how will those who are lost ever find Him?  The bottom line is "love is the answer."  

     God said:

    "if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land."  2 Chronicles 7:14
    He also said:?"No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it." Hebrews 12:11

    • jerseymark

      Explain the increased arrogance of conservatives please. What got Obama elected twice was the complete cowardice of the GOP to actually challenge the Obama and the Left with actual principles of conservatism. No one is as arrogant as the Left and as soon as anyone rises up to challenge them, they attack with a vengeance and this is what divides the country. If we just went along with them, there would be no division. What actions are you suggesting when dealing with an intransigent Left? Please give examples of what "name calling" you are referring to. Many times names are accurate and true descriptions. 

    • alien4palin

      Wodiej, excellent truth reflective comment!!! Totally agree!!!

      At the end of the day, after all said and done, It is We, the People, the solution to real change by talking the talk and actively walking the walk for common good. Sarah Palin epitomizes all that and more.

  • http://lenbilen.com/ Lennart Bilén

    The Pompous Elite with their minds international
    Say Sarah can’t govern, her thoughts are not rational
    On the Cross she believes
    And salvation receives.
    Replace God with State, and your worldview is fractional.

  • CVA9

    Seems that many have replaced "OF" with the word "FROM" in the First Amendment.

  • DocBarry1

    Gov Palin – this is another reason that supports us – who want you to run for the Presidency in 2016 – I do not care what any of your advisors say – we need a real choice – if u run and the voters pick someone else – at least we had a champion that ran a campaign her way with her people – 3rd party or as a GOP – I don’t care but please run.

  • AmazedOne1

    Jasmine, you said the Army is "disrespecting the freedom to express religion through Christian symbols." All the military is trying to do is to make the building something that each and every person can use. During a service, religious symbols ARE allowed.The regulation is certainly not a new concept because it has been on the books for a long time. Todd Starnes (yes, the same author who wrote the article that Sarah is responding to) wrote more than one very similar article about the Army removing religious symbols from chapels in Afghanistanin in 2011.http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/u-s-soldier-removing-cross-is-attack-on-christianity.html
    http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/military-orders-cross-removed-from-chapel.htmlThe regulation is in effect here in the United States, too. Again, Todd Starnes himself wrote about this regarding a chapel in California: 
    http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/military-investigates-memorial-cross-at-camp-pendleton.htmlThe regulation states that "Portable religious symbols, icons, or statues may be used within a chapel during times of religious worship.” So, no one is asking Track or any other soldier to remove his own necklace or other symbol. It just can’t be affixed to a building in such a way that it would prevent a different denomination from using the same building.

    • John_Frank

      People are ignoring the rational given for enforcing the regulation as per the article that Sarah Plain linked to in her tweet and FB wall post.

      It is okay to fly a gay pride flag on a military base in Afghanistan.

      However out of concern that we will rile up the enemy, it is not okay (according to the enforcement rationale given in the article) to have Christian religious symbols on a building in a base.

      That is hypocrisy.

      • AmazedOne1

        Read the article again. The idea you bring up about riling the enemy was introduced by the guy who complained (Silverman) — NOT by the Army. 

        The Army wants its own members to be comfortable. As the Army spokesman explained, “The primary purpose of making a chapel a neutral, multi-use facility, is to accommodate the free exercise of religion for all faith groups using it.”

    • alien4palin

      Your view point is valid only in as far as it is based on the ASSUMPTION that we are dealing with reasonable people in good faith and doing the right thing in FAIRNESS and EQUALITY for all without ulterior motives.

      "So, no one is asking Track or any other soldier to remove his own
      necklace or other symbol."
      Patience, that will come. It is already a reality in Europe.

      I am a strong believer in the separation of church and government. Chapel is a place of Christian worship and government have no right to stick their noses into.

      I am not a Christian and have no problem with the display of the cross. After all, the USA, Canada and Europe are founded on Christian Values which is part & parcel of their heritage.To give up one’s heritage and culture is giving up the sovereignty of one’s country.

      It is a strange and upside down world, infringing on the rights of the majority to appease the miniscule minority. Respect is a 2 way street.

      • AmazedOne1

        No one is being asked to give up anything. They’re just required to keep the symbols indoors instead of outside. That way, the building can be used by each religion when it’s their turn.

        Certainly, this could change in the future and we must always be alert. BUT, the regulation has been in effect since 2004. It’s nothing new. The chaplains there should have been aware of it for eight years.

        Many cities have similar laws for much less emotional situations. A business often must get all sorts of approvals before it can build or paint a building or install signage. Houses often cannot be garish colors, even landscaping can be regulated by the code and homeowners required to clean up messy properties.

        • http://boogieforward.us/ K-Bob

           "New" is relative.  2004 isn’t that long ago, and CAIR was definitely well-funded and active at that time.  Unfortunately the Bush folks fell for the secular tone CAIR posed over here, and ignored the radical, anti-Israel, anti-western tone CAIR’s people expressed over there.  Besides, it shouldn’t mean you have to go around yanking down symbols.

        • alien4palin

          Whilst I agree that it is always a good thing to accommodate everybody and live in harmony with one’s fellow human beings but the reality is not quite so simple as not been asked to give up anything. The "heart" of the matter is far more profound and opening the door to a slippery slope.

          "Many cities have similar laws for much less emotional situations. A
          business often must get all sorts of approvals before it can build or
          paint a building or install signage. Houses often cannot be garish
          colors, even landscaping can be regulated by the code and homeowners
          required to clean up messy properties."

          I am well aware and agree in cities (Laws) & towns/Villages (By-laws) are necessary for lots of good reasons which I will not list and accepted by most people in a civil society.

  • c4pfan

    It says that they were removed after someone COMPLAINED about them. 

  • Guest

    reference:

    Exo 20:1-6

    ‘And God spoke all these words, saying: “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

    “You shall have no other gods before Me.

    “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth;

    you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.’

  • patnatasha

    there is a spiritual battle taking place god has been removed and sarah is hell bent on bring him back.

    • Guest

      you have a way with words, patnatasha….
      agreed, this is the crux of the matter.

  • patnatasha

    yes the dufus wants god removed from the conversation.

  • http://boogieforward.us/ K-Bob

    This stupid, intolerance of Christianity ties into the wave of anti-semitism sweeping the planet. I’m gonna add evidence of this by copying what I wrote at Scoop’s yesterday:

    ——————————–8<———————————
    Our good pals in the south of England seem to be showing us the future of "debate" with the increasingly intolerant, totalitarian left.

    Have a read of Carolyn Glick’s article on trying to discuss Israel in Britain, in a public forum for supposed intellectuals.  It’s no longer just, as Reagan said, that they know so much "that isn’t so."  No, we’re moving into louder and angrier cries that we must shut up! so they will not be forced to deal with facts.

    The event Carolyn Glick attended was only a week or so ago.  This wasn’t a historical discussion of British attitudes in the grim past during the rise of the Third Reich. This is the most "international" city on Earth. And they hate Jews with a passion that would make the Fuhrer proud. Conservatives in Britain must feel like they have totally lost their country to wasters, spoilers, and full-throated tyranny.  If we fall over here, they will be lost over there.

    This is why the Second Amendment is so crucial to the survival of Liberty around the world.  We already see with Chris Matthews here that demonizing, shouting over people, and outright insanity is the future of debate on our shores, as well.

    This is also why we absolutely cannot, must not, and shall not tolerate mushy, Boehner-like Republicans.

    For 2014 and 2016, it’s the time for Restoration. Being "a conservative" is no longer enough.
    ——————————>8———————————-

    Now it’s true that the left likes to believe there is no God.  So it makes a sort of sense that they want to dismantle religion.  But for some reason, just as in the rise of the Third Reich, the Islamic "religion" is not only given full-throated support for their organizing and evangelizing, but also for their strong political efforts. (You’ve probably all seen the work Pam Geller has done collecting the evidence that shows that connection back in the 1930′s.)

    This wave of Christophobia that is infecting our military was not just some "equalitarian, sectarian" idea promoted by some dimwitted professor or Van Jones type.  This came from the constant whispering in Obama’s ear by people in CAIR, and by the J-Street types like Daniel Levy (who also helps organize leftist "Christians" to hate Israel, too).

    This is not just a simple change being pressed on our soldiers.  This is an attack on you.

    • AmazedOne1

      It’s not a "change" at all. The regulation has been in effect since 2004. For eight years, it has stated that chapels be useful to everyone, so all can receive spiritual comfort in times of stress. To do that, they state that no permanent religious symbols can be displayed outside.

      Nor is it an attack on soldiers (or on me). The regulation allows Christian (and all other) symbols to be freely used indoors during services:

      (5) Chapels must be available to people of all faith groups for meditation and prayer when formal religious servicesare not scheduled.d.  Symbols. Portable religious symbols, icons, or statues may be used within a chapel during times of scheduledreligious worship. Symbols are to be moved or covered when not in use. Distinctive religious symbols, such as crosses,crucifixes, the Star of David, menorah, and other religious symbols, will not be affixed or displayed permanently on thechapel exterior or grounds. Permanent or fixed chapel furnishings, such as the altar, pulpit, lectern, communion rail,prie-dieu, or reredos, will be devoid of distinctive religious symbols.

      • http://boogieforward.us/ K-Bob

        Conspicuous, selective enforcement. The connections I outlined are ignored by you, and that’s fine. Go back to sleep. Nothing to see here.

    • alien4palin

      I am on the same page!!!

      Islam has been waging war on infidels in past 1400 years and had never stop. They were in the thick of it big time with the Third Reich and the Japanese.

      • http://boogieforward.us/ K-Bob

        I just cannot fathom why leftists go along with it.

        • alien4palin

          The Leftists (dhimmi) and Islam share identical goal. Totalitarianism. They are bedfellows in enabling each other in achieving their Goal.

  • nkthgreek

    No more crescent and star for Muslims, either? We’ll see.

  • luvoftheword

    moemoll wrote "There’s Someone looking down at this and all the other things that America seems to be allowing, even EMBRACING, and saying to Himself, "Just keep it up!"

    Amen to that! Along those same lines Jesus Himself says to all those who insist on displaying this blasphemous behavior.

    The Revelation of Jesus Christ

    "Let him who does wrong continue to do wrong; let him who is vile continue to be vile; let him who does Right continue to do Right; and let him who is Holy continue to be Holy. “Look, I Am coming Soon! My reward is with Me, and I will give to each person according to "WHAT THEY HAVE DONE." I Am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End." –

    Revelation 22:11-12

  • John_Frank

    Todd Stanley has written a follow up piece:

    Military: Crosses Removed ‘Out of Respect for Other Faiths’
    http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/military-crosses-removed-out-of-respect-for-other-faiths.html

    Religious liberty advocates are denouncing the U.S. military’s order to remove a steeple and Christian crosses from an Army chapel in Afghanistan.

    “We can confirm that those items were removed from the chapel,” said a spokesman for the ISAF Joint Command. “These items were removed out of respect for the beliefs of other faiths.”

    The military is hiding behind the regulations, which have been selectively enforced in the past, while bowing down to the Muslim faith.

    The reality is that this move is part and parcel of the ongoing attack by the Obama administration against our Judeo-Christian heritage.

    A couple of other people quoted in the article:

    Retired Lt. Gen. Jerry Boykin, of the Family Research Council, told Fox News a Christian cleansing of the military is under way.

    “I don’t think you can categorize it any other way,” he said. “There is a strong effort, led partially by the Administration as well as by atheist groups to destroy the identity of who we are as a nation and that means robbing us of our history.”

    Boykin said he fears that the attacks on the Christian faith of soldiers could destroy the morale and the readiness of the military.

    “In the long term, the greatest casualty of the conflict in Afghanistan is probably going to be the First Amendment rights of the American soldiers and the faith upon which America was founded,” he said. “I’m very concerned what the administration is doing to the military on a number of fronts. This is another indicator of how we are trying to impose a liberal agenda upon the people that are protecting the very rights of all Americans to be able to worship freely.”

    Read also:

    Hiram Sasser, director of litigation for Liberty Counsel, wondered why Christian soldiers must hide who they are.

    “Why are we ashamed of one of the major reasons our Nation is the most generous and self-sacrificing for the benefit of others that the world has ever known – our inherently Christian benevolence,” he told Fox News. “We have freed the oppressed, fed the hungry, and restored nations throughout the world without anything in particular to show for it other than the satisfaction of making the world better than we found it for the sake of goodness and doing the right thing. Why should we hide a major motivation that compels Americans to do this?”

    Ron Crews, the executive director of the Chaplain Alliance, told Fox News he was extremely disappointed to hear the news.

    “I’m so concerned that the military is caving in to an organization that does not understand the First Amendment,” Crews said. “Christians have every right to exercise their faith in the military.”

    Crews said the removal of the Christian symbols was another example of “yielding to an atheist culture that is not represented by the vast majority of our military personnel nor the people who make up this nation.”

    “It appears Christianity is being marginalized in our military,” he said. “The fact is Christian military personnel have the right –the God-given, Constitutional right to worship in an environment that speaks of who they are — and that includes having the cross as a symbol in a place of worship — even in a Muslim country.”

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