Posted on January 13 2013 - 8:59 PM - Posted by: Roderic Deane | Follow Roderic on Twitter!
John Lott – Expert on gun control
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John Lott with Soledad O’Brien
Gun Appreciation Day
You can listen to the entire show HERE.
The government men, trying to come and get my guns, is THE main reason why we need more than "10 bullets"….just saying.
I just hope there is enough police,military and patriots standing together to keep that from happining,,but if examples are needed we will have to show them the buisness end.
C4P Editors…you have a Google Ad asking Congress to pass the ban on "assault weapons." You might want to block the URL to this ad.
I think we should draw our lines in the sand, but we need to be careful with our rhetoric too. Some things are best left unsaid and let’s leave it at that.
Right now, this is and hopefully will remain a political issue. There are marches on the state capitols scheduled for next Saturday the 19th and also on Feb. 8. The NRA-ILA also provides links to write your State and Federal elected reps and express your opposition to new gun laws.
Write State Officials
Write Federal Officials
I agree about the rhetoric. At this time it would be wise for us all to spend some time reading the words of our founding fathers for their eloquence as well as their resolve, for instance as posted above by Patrick Henry. Will we die as free men or as slaves? I believe that is from Samuel Adams..
The millions that are buying guns now, and ammo, is loud rhetoric in itself.
Ianahi, this is true….and that’s good. "Speak softly and carry a big stick." What I’m talking about with rhetoric are the people who shoot off their mouths on YouTube or post certain things that should never be posted. One well-known gun trainer already had to surrender his guns because of a "macho" YouTube rant that included violent threats about the proposed gun bans.
Going to the matter of the number of rounds in a magazine that Tencole raised above, the rebuttal to this is that no politician has the right to dictate to you and tell you what you need – in any area of life. If I only want 3 or 5 rounds because I’m shooting groups at the range or hunting, that’s what I’ll load. If I want 10, 20, 30 or want to go into 50- and 100-round drums, that’s my prerogative. Most people who drive Hummers don’t "need" them, but no one has the right to tell you that you can’t drive one. If you have the money to buy a Hummer and maintain it – it’s your right to have it. If you have money to blow on 50 and 100-round drums and can manage your rate of fire so your barrel doesn’t melt (cooling does become an issue), and can afford to blow $100 in 10 seconds – it’s your right. Most gun owners don’t buy the drums because they are very expensive and very heavy to carry around.
The argument that they make that "you don’t need 30 rounds to shoot a deer," is baloney on multiple fronts. First of all, many jurisdictions restrict the number of rounds in a magazine for hunting already. It’s generally limited to five rounds. Duck hunters are allowed only two in the magazine – if I want to hunt ducks with my Mossberg 850, I need to take my magazine extension off and install the duck plug that came with it.
Second – and really first – the Second Amendment is not about hunting and "sporting purposes." Your right to bear arms is about self-protection from all enemies foreign and domestic. For that, you need what gives you sufficient firepower, yet is practical to carry and reliable. For the past 70 years, 20 and 30 round magazines have not been high-capacity – they’re standard capacity.
"It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace,
Peace– but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that
sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our
brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that
gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to
be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know
not what course others may take; but as for me, GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH!" Patrick Henry, March 23, 1775.
Two critiques, and I’m barely a minute in to the video.
First: Stop calling them liberals. They’re no such thing.
Today’s mainstream Democrat party is comprised of authoritarian "progressives". Liberals live in Vermont surrounded by lots of guns.
Second: Authoritarian "progressives" don’t belive gun control will reduce gun violence. That is not their goal. What it will do is reduce gun ownership. THAT is what it’s all about.
This website is for us to support Sarah to run in 2016. Please don’t make it a pro-gun site.
This is a website to support Gov. Palin in all that she does. It’s not 2016 specific. There are 2016 Palin sites if that’s your interest. She is also pro-gun and has received numerous awards – one of which I was a nominator for – thus this conversation is appropriate. A Palin support site is by definition pro-gun.
A dose of reality: In the Supreme Court case of McDonald v Chicago (2010), which held that the Second Amendment to the US Constitution applies to state governments, a brief in support of the winning side was signed by 58 Senators and 249 members of the House.
No serious restrictive legislation can pass Congress No red state Senator (e.g., Max Baucus of MT) or Rep who is up in 2014 could survive if he/she cast an anti-gun vote. However, the Administration may try to use Executive Orders or pass feel-good legislation that would slice the salami a bit.
I doubt that even this government is stupid enough to try to confiscate literally millions of weapons from millions of Americans. I suspect they will try to make using the weapons prohibitively expensive by way of a tax on ammunition or something along those lines.
The "Progressives" know what they are about and what they intend for the future. They are about "transformation". The rest of America is asleep. What the "Progressives" fear is that one day the rest of America will wake up. Before that day comes they want to gather up all the weapons and rocks and sharp sticks.
Having lived most of my life in the 20th Century, I would have felt comfortable knowing that most of the citizens in this country would profoundly agree with Mr. Heston. We were a nation that came through some very difficult times back in those days and believed strongly enough in personal freedom and the rights of our fellow citizens, that we would lay down our lives without much thought, to protect those rights.
Fifty some years of socialists brainwashing by our educational system and the socialists trends of our government, have left me believing, that there is no longer a fire in the hearts of the majority of our citizens, to stand up against tyranny and the loss of our Constitutional Republic. I wish it were not so, but there is plenty of evidence to believe this is the case. Our Constitution and our form of govt., survived for so many years, because we elected representatives to our govt., that believed in that document and were willing to insure that it was protected and adhered to. That is no longer the case today. Those legislators will not even insure the eligibility of a presidential candidate nor consider laws that this nation has abided by since it’s birth. The same goes for our judicial system, that refuses to even hear such cases.
Most importantly as we have seen over the last two presidential elections, the majority of citizens, willingly voted for leaders who have proven that they no longer care for or desire, to uphold our Constitution. Would such citizens take up arms against such an oppressive govt., if it were found to be necessary? I seriously doubt that they would do so and further believe, that they would turn against their own fellow citizens, who would do so. This being the case, our nation would be even more divided then it already is and we would have another Civil War on our hands. If citizens do not unify against such repercussions, this Republic is surly doomed. We will not have to worry about foreign aggression, as the enemy is already well established within our own society.
Oh, there’s a lot of fire, definitely. It just needs to be funneled into the right action with the help of good and wise leaders.
What appears to be lack of interest is simply resignation that we can’t do anything about it. So people go on with their everyday lives the best they can and avoid thinking about what’s happening whenever they can. This perception of helplessness is what has to be combated. Trust our people…once the spark is lit, there will be no stopping the fire from burning until the necessary changes are made.
You talk about a possible Civil War, which contradicts your own statement that the people don’t care anymore. Yes, if pushed further, there could be another Civil War. That’s what happens when feelings are running high and people feel themselves helpless to change things any other way. We need leaders, like Palin, who will lead the charge in making changes in a less violent way.
The "silent majority" is still the majority and won’t be silent much longer. Obama and his ilk are pushing us over the cliff in more ways than just fiscally, and in a way, this is the best thing that can happen to us. We are coming awake now in ways that couldn’t have happened with a more moderate government.
I think the fight will happen over the 10th amendment…the states themselves standing up to this rogue federal government. The damage that is being done on a federal level can be mitigated by states pushing their sovereign and superior rights. And it is here that the people have the most control and will be heard more loudly. It is happening more and more, and this is just the start…the issue of guns:
"A Texas lawmaker says he plans to file the Firearms Protection Act, which would make any federal laws that may be passed by Congress or imposed by Presidential order which would ban or restrict ownership of semi-automatic firearms or limit the size of gun magazines illegal in the state, 1200 WOAI news reports.
Republican Rep. Steve Toth says his measure also calls for felony criminal charges to be filed against any federal official who tries to enforce the rule in the state. "If a federal official comes into the state of Texas to enforce the federal executive order, that person is subject to criminal prosecution," Toth told 1200 WOAI’s Joe Pags Tuesday. He says his bill would make attempting to enforce a federal gun ban in Texas punishable by a $50,000 fine and up to five years in prison.
Toth says he will file his measure after speaking with the state’s Republican Attorney General, Greg Abbott, who has already vowed to fight any federal measures which call
for restrictions on weapons possession.
Toth concedes that he would welcome a legal fight over his proposals. "At some point there needs to be a showdown between the states and the federal government over the Supremacy Clause," he said.
"It is our responsibility to push back when those laws are infringed by King Obama," Toth said.
Texas is the second state to propose a measure to shield the state from the impact of any gun possession restrictions imposed by Congress or by Presidential order. A similar measure was introduced in Wyoming last week."
The various states are beginning to put teeth into their state constitutions over the 10th amendment in every other area as well. This state level is where, as individuals, we can make more of a difference.
BTW, there have been millions of guns sold each month since Obama was reelected. Most were not purchased by liberals. Take heart…the liberals would be at a distinct disadvantage if a Civil War does ensue.
Ianahi, I sure would like to believe what you are saying, but after looking at the last two presidential election results, I find it very difficult to find the hope and courage that you are speaking about. Actions speak louder then words and the action taken by the citizens of this nation over the last two elections, tell me there is little regard for our Constitutional Republic any longer. One mistake would be acceptable, but twice in a row, tells me that a majority no longer cares about their individual rights or freedom. They want the govmit to take care of them.
It is a blessing to see that some legislators in a few of our states, still believe in the 10th Amendment and are willing to take the necessary action to protect those rights. However, a few states are not enough to even create an impression that citizens in this country even care anymore, for anything other then themselves. When I see a majority of the States take appropriate action, I will then begin to have some hope. The only way that is going to happen, is for conservatives and Tea Party activist to come together and unite to fight this insurrection that is taking place in our government.
It is not necessary for the states to make new laws to upload the second amendment. The second amendment is inviolate already. All the states have to do is to insist that their rights be enforced.
Printz v. United States SCOTUS decision
"We held in New York that Congress cannot compel the States to enact
or enforce a federal regulatory program. Today we hold that Congress cannot
circumvent that prohibition by conscripting the State’s officers directly.
The Federal Government may neither issue directives requiring the States
to address particular problems, nor command the States’ officers, or those
of their political subdivisions, to administer or enforce a federal regulatory
program. It matters not whether policymaking is involved, and no case by
case weighing of the burdens or benefits is necessary; such commands are
fundamentally incompatible with our constitutional system of dual sovereignty."
Obama was reelected by low-information voters and by election fraud. It was not a mandate for him to take away our freedoms, and the vast majority of Americans do not support it happening. The more he pushes, the greater will be the push-back, and the gun ban question might be the final straw in getting the citizens fired up beyond his control. I don’t think he knows how strongly this issue runs among Americans.
I have a lot of difficulty accepting your comment about Obama being elected by a lot of low information voters. I would remind you that nearly all of the college professors who have taken part in brainwashing our future generations, were supporting Obama along with their mentors. They were not low-information voters by any means. Clearly they knew full well what was taking place, as this socialists movement has been in action in this country, for well over fifty years and is culminating right now with this current Administration.
We can add to those facts, with the highly proficient and technical campaign that was run by leaders in the communication fields. Those people controlled the information that flowed on the internet, to those who were not that interested in politics. Then we can also talk about the MSM who has been totally behind this socialist movement sine the time of JFK. These were not low information voters, but professionals trained in misinformation and the proper use of it when panning the disinformation campaign of Barrack Obama. In fact, the media made Obama who he is represented to be, by them.
I will agree with you that there were a lot of minorities who were conned into supporting Obama, because he cared for them or so they were led to believe. However, there were a major proportion of very well educated Marxist, that pulled off this disgraceful sham that was called an election.
Polls show that voters are overwhelmingly against the direction Obama and all are going, but they like Obama personally. That’s a low-information voter or something!
Having been involved in politics for many years and also a campaign manager, I have found that polls can be very misleading and controlled. The GOP got caught flat footed because of those erroneous polls they were believing. Even Rasmussen got caught flat footed, when he was projecting a possible win for Romney. It was Rasmussen’s daily and monthly polling that convinced me that between 45 and 47% of voters polled, were going to vote for Obama no matter what as those figures were very consistent throughout the last six months of the race. That is why I said that Romney was right for saying there was no use in trying to win those voters.
If you recall, I posted seventeen different reasons why Obama won. Most of those reasons pertained to all of the give away legislation that he was involved in, for the four years of his presidency. What votes he didn’t get from the loyal minorities, he got from those that he bought off with freebies. I can’t really state they were low information voters, because they were bought off.
I guess even joking can be taken out of context if someone wants to push the issue enough.
next to my antlers, my favorite 2nd amendment tools:
special comment on the chain saw: the gas one is scarier with noise but the electrical one is faster, lighter and reach further. Don’t forget to wear your HazMat (the one you bought last year so you could vote for Romney should do just fine)
love my 2nd,
journalistic brilliance is an understatement.
All in all, I can’t begin to tell you how many people I’ve talked to over the last few days that have either decided to buy a gun or are considering it.
Today is a good day to learn Gun Safty, so the #1 tip is: Carry One!
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