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Karl Rove group founds new PAC to protect Establishment Republicans from Tea Party challengers; Updated

This is the kind of news that makes me believe more than ever that it’s time to seriously consider a new, conservative political party to offer something different from the status quo being foisted on this country by the Remocrats and Depublicans. Hilariously, this new organization designed to protect establishment Republicans from being challenged by actual conservatives has the audacity to call their entity the Conservative Victory Project when in reality it should be called "RinoPAC":

The biggest donors in the Republican Party are financing a new group to recruit seasoned candidates and protect Senate incumbents from challenges by far-right conservatives and Tea Party enthusiasts who Republican leaders worry could complicate the party’s efforts to win control of the Senate.

The group, the Conservative Victory Project, is intended to counter other organizations that have helped defeat establishment Republican candidates over the last two election cycles. It is the most robust attempt yet by Republicans to impose a new sense of discipline on the party, particularly in primary races.

“There is a broad concern about having blown a significant number of races because the wrong candidates were selected,” said Steven J. Law, the president of American Crossroads, the “super PAC” creating the new project. “We don’t view ourselves as being in the incumbent protection business, but we want to pick the most conservative candidate who can win.”


The Conservative Victory Project, which is backed by Karl Rove and his allies who built American Crossroads into the largest Republican super PAC of the 2012 election cycle, will start by intensely vetting prospective contenders for Congressional races to try to weed out candidates who are seen as too flawed to win general elections.

So as I understand this, Rove and his establishment buddies will "vet" conservatives to "weed out" those candidates who they think can’t win. And they have such a great track record, don’t they? The hundreds of millions of dollars Rove and company spent over the last couple years have given us President Romney, Senator Dewhurst of Texas, Senator Berg of North Dakota, Senator Thompson of Wisconsin, Senator Rehberg of Montana, Senator McMahon of Connecticut, and Florida Senator Charlie Crist, to name a few.  With a stellar track record like that, I can’t wait to see who they pick next. Oh wait.

The Tea Party is the only reason the Republicans control the House. Now the Republican Party hierarchy wants to put an end to the one remaining source of energy in what was once the party of limited government conservatism. Can anyone explain to me why anyone still listens to Karl Rove. Stupid party indeed. Soon they’ll be the extinct party. Mark Levin had it exactly right a few months ago when he offered this advice to Rove: "Get the hell off the stage already, will you Pal?"  Click the image below to listen.

(h/t LLB)

Update: (h/t Mr. L) Ben Shapiro penned an article on this same topic today at Breitbart. Here’s an excerpt:

Law claims he’s acting under the rubric of William F. Buckley, supporting the most conservative candidate who can win. But Law is no judge of that. Neither is Rove. Their advice led to the epic Romney defeat, in which conservatives were told to vote for Romney in the primary since he was the only candidate who could win.

Grover Norquist correctly points out that the Rove mission is nonsense. “People are imagining a problem that doesn’t exist,” said Norquist. “We’ve had people challenge the establishment guy and do swimmingly.” In truth, conservatism wins elections so long as the messenger doesn’t implode. Rove’s view, however, is that conservatism takes a back seat to the best quasi-conservative messenger.

But victory for conservatives isn’t Rove’s goal. He’s a political insider par excellence, and he’s playing for his political life in the aftermath of 2012. If that means declaring war on the Tea Party, so be it.

Read Shapiro’s entire piece here.

Update II: (h/t myfairlady) Heh. Via the Politico, some prominent conservatives are ridiculing Rove’s RinoPAC initiative, one of whom labels it "the Conservative Defeat Project":

Both the Club for Growth and the Senate Conservatives Fund – two of the most prominent groups that have boosted candidates on the right – mocked the new initiative as yet another hapless establishment-side attempt to  muzzle the GOP base.

Matt Hoskins, executive director of the Senate Conservatives Fund, branded it  the “Conservative Defeat Project.”

“The Conservative Defeat Project is yet another example of the Republican  establishment’s hostility toward its conservative base. Rather than listening to  the grassroots and working to advance their principles, the establishment has  chosen to declare war on the party’s most loyal supporters,” Hoskins said. “If  they keep this up, the party will remain in the wilderness for decades to  come.”

Club for Growth spokesman Barney Keller essentially responded by pointing to  the scoreboard in recent primaries in which conservative insurgents have  prevailed and emerged as influential GOP leaders.

“They are welcome to support the likes of Arlen Specter, Charlie Crist and  David Dewhurst,” Keller said of the new Crossroads group. “We will continue  to proudly support the likes of Pat Toomey, Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz.”


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  • bluelion6

    i say 3rd party

    • Joe Winpisinger
      • stevethird

        Rove will only accept a big tent with complete capitulation of  Palin Conservatives, to the tender mercies of that great political sage Reince Priebus. If you think that it will or even should happen you are delusional.

    • AZStandingBy

      mark levin says no. i will go where ever sarah and levin go.. i dont see them splitting

      • mark1955

        Mark levin is wrong if he said this.

        • AZStandingBy

          He said it about 1 month ago.

          • mark1955

            That’s even worse, especially after the stunt the entire repub legislature pulled early on New Years day.

      • mark1955

        Notice you GOPe leftwing RINO’S advocating  staying with the repubs, when that is surely the course that will continue us on a path to destroying our Republic. Also, when was the last time that Sarah said that stayig with the repubs was the only choice? That was a log time ago. As A-matter-of-fact, i believe Chuck Heath,jr. ( Sarah’s brother ) wrote a post recently, wondering if it wasn’t time for a new Third party.

        • AZStandingBy

          Please don’t call me a GOPe left wing RINO. You show your ignorance and it is offensive and incorrect. Levin said NO to a 3rd party. Sarah has said both, a 3rd party guarantees dem victory and she has threatened the concept of a 3rd party. Hardly a commitment on her part but you dont accuse Levin or Sarah of being GOPe left wing RINO as you do your fellow posters.

          • mark1955


        • alien4palin

          The Republican Party is a dead loss unless there is a sudden "Miracle Resurrection"
          3rd Party is the only option

      • CharterOakie

        Great respect for Levin.  But I’ll go where ever Sarah Palin goes.  Hopefully Levin will, too.

    • socon

       I could see it happening if we can’t clean up the GOPe.


    Thanks for posting this Doug…it’s a must read.
    The gauntlet has been thrown…it’s war. It’s time for our side to man up.

    It’s time for the Tea Party to quite their naive ideology that they’re just "a movement" and become a force to be reckoned with.
    It’s time for them to merge their finances, develop leaders and a national platform……it’s time to "officially" back candidates nationally, not just in bits and pieces and definitely not at the last minute.

    It’s time for them to grow up.

    • socon

       We’re going to need a unifying force–a leader.  Any suggestions?

      • lyndaaquarius

        Governor Sarah Palin from the great state of Alaska!!!

        • socon


  • Joe Winpisinger

    Despite all the people that want to talk about the demise of the Tea Party this is proof that the establishment is very worried. Anytime a tough vote comes up House Republicans have to worry that a wrong vote will get them a tough primary battle the next go around.  The Tea Party/Liberty Movement is not dead it just went grassroots and local. Smart…

    • alien4palin


  • Mr.L
  • myfairlady

    Senator Demint’s group and Club For Growth (some other real conservative groups) are challenging Karl Rove and his gang on what they are trying to do.  Apparently Rove didn’t learn anything from the last election with all his failed efforts after spending tons of money.  This idea of sit down, shut-up, and just vote for who we’ve selected, is just not going to work.

    Conservative groups mock Crossroads effort

  • amaze830

    Mark Levin was correct to say Karl Rove needs to get off the stage.  Without the Tea Party, the Republicans cannot win elections. Remember, in 2012, Karl Rove had a 1% success rate.  Gov. Palin had over 70% success rate in getting Republians elected. Besides, we already went through this in 2012 when these RINOS claim Romney was electible and we can see now it did not turn out very well for the Republicans.

  • Timothy Jacques

    Rove is doing a bit of "revisionist history" on the 2012 Senate races.
    He’ll focus on Akin (who was funded in the primaries by some of
    McCaskill’s Democrat donors) and Mourdock (which had crybaby Lugar
    badmouthing him and telling his groups NOT to vote for Mourdock in the
    general) but he surprisingly won’t tell you about the other races that
    were won or lost.

    Let me give you folks the the 411 on the stupidity of the GOP (2010/2012 Senate races)


    O’Donnell: According to party affiliation and exit polls, there was
    no way a Republican was gonna win Delaware 2010. Even Castle had no
    shot. Castle can bitch and cry all he wants but you got to win the
    primary first (details, details).

    Angle: Harry Reid owns the state’s political machines, the funding and his seniority (or is it senility). GOP had no shot.


    Lugar: after his primary defeat, went into the background and
    trash-talked Mourdock at every opportunity with local Indiana GOP
    groups. If Indiana didn’t have “sore loser” law, that jerk would of run
    as a third candidate.

    ND: Berg: Simply saying “I’m the GOP candidate, vote for me” isn’t enough
    against an inspired (and highly organized/motivated DNC candidate).
    Berg lost by less than 3,000 votes. Berg’s campaign was described by
    local insiders as sloppy, undisciplined, and reeking of GOPe (aka:
    taking the base for granted). This race was begging for an upset and the
    DNC brought in the big guns/money to pull it off. Heitkamp struck with
    perfect timing at the end to squeeze out a few thousand votes at the

    Akin: foot in mouth? yes….but you did know he was propped up by
    Mccaskill’s cronies in the primary by the tune of over one million
    dollars. Why? He was the weakest of the three GOP candidates.

    ME: GOP in disarray and against a popular former governor.

    MA: Brown flipped the bird to the TP, went all RINO and was up against a powerful candidate. Burned bridges. GOPe

    VA: George Allen, three time loser, mr. “ma-ca-ca”, uninspired campaigner, slow, methodical, dull. GOPe.

    FL: Connie Mack, three-time-loser, uninspired race. GOPe. “lost in space”

    OH: Josh Mandel. Deer in the headlights against the hunter. In the
    big leagues Josh, they play for keeps NOT for Chuck-E-Cheese tokens. OUT

    MT: Three way race and the Libertarian candidate spoils the show
    Tester 236,123-—Rehberg 218,051-—Cox 31,892. DNC plowed a lot of money
    for their favorite goon Tester. GOPe

    WI: Tommy Thomson. Uninspired campaign. Thought that by simply
    announcing he would win by default. Believed his past terms as governor
    was all the PR he ever needed. Burned a lot of bridges in the primary.

    NE Deb Fischer, CONSERVATIVE….Endorsed by Palin and a great ground
    game. Defeated the GOPe back candidate in the primary. WINNER

    AZ Jeff Flake, CONSERVATIVE….Endorsed by Palin and a great ground game. Did not run away from conservatism. WINNER

    TX Ted Cruz, CONSERVATIVE….Endorsed by Palin and a great ground game. Defeated the GOPe candidate in the primary. WINNER

    The Senate was ripe for the picking for the GOP. If the candidates
    played it smart, practiced “Media 101” skills (may I suggest the
    Breitbart school of journalism) and just learned to avoid the traps
    (Akin, Mourdock), we could of picked up 4-7 seats.

    I don’t know if 2014 will get us to 50+ and it might take a few
    cycles to get the Senate back….but only if the GOP learns its lessons
    and stops pointing its fingers at the base. Future conservative/TP
    candidates will have to realize that it’s a BLOOD SPORT. Mistakes that
    might of been survivable in the bush-leagues are game killers in the big

    • socon

      Romney’s/GOP’s 2012 presidential campaign was definitely bush-league.

      They brought a knife to a gun fight.

      • Freempg

        a rubber one.

        • socon

          Leave it to you.  lol

        • mymati

          No, it was real knife, stupid as they were, they had the sharp end in their hand and so weilding it only caused them to cut their own hand.

    • Freempg

      Tim, you are right to some degree about Harry Reid’s machine ownership, however it didn’t work so well for his son who ran for Governor the same year. Angle did have a shot and would have won had the GOP lifted a finger. It was blatantly stolen by Reid; his aforementioned son headed the election commission prior to his own run for Governor. He was slaughered by 10 points by a Republican. Angle was ahead by 3 points election eve which magically flipped to a 6 pt victory for Reid. This was the year that SEIU pioneered the election machine fraud of defaulting Angel voters to Reid, which the DNC then rolled out nationwide to great success in 2012.

    • lyndaaquarius

      "..Stop pointing its fingers at the base".   This is exactly what Rove and co. didn’t get during 2012 campaign. Who drew bigger crowds…Palin or Romney?  Why did Palin draw bigger crowds? Because she is embraced by the base. Why is that? Because we trust her. To me it’s pretty simple.She’s judged to be the most capable and she is trusted. She’s beholden to nobody. And she presents the biggest contrast to the Left.

  • goldenprez

    Have I not been going on about this here on this site for 2 years now?

    Have I not taken flak from every Republican on this site for 2 years now? 

    Have I not been pointing out the "war" on real constitutional conservatives by the Government Party, both sides, here on this site for 2 years now?

    Hello … Anybody home … ?

    Did I not point out, early in 2011, that Sarah Palin would never be the GOP nominee for president? And that the only way, the only way, she could be elected president was to run as an "independent" candidate?

    Did I not point out, early in 2011, that Mitt Romney was going to be the GOP nominee?

    Was anyone listening last month when I pointed out that Jeb Bush was going to be the GOP nominee in 2016? No, it is not going to be Rubio. It is going to be Bush.

    That the GOP is trying to paint Todd Akin as a "Tea Party" candidate is beyond sublime. Mr. Akin was supported by the Democ-rats against Sarah Steelman. They supported Tommy Thompson against Neumann in Wisconsin. They supported George Allen in Virginia. They supported Lugar in Indiana, even going so far as to beg Democ-rats to vote for him in the primaries. On and on, ad infinitum, ad nauseum.

    The GOP fought against Deb Fisher in Nebraska. They fought Ted Cruz, tooth and nail, hammer and tongs, in Texas. They did all they could to sabotage Mourdock in Indiana.

    Are you now ready to stop wasting time, energy, and resources (money) in a futile attempt to "take over" the Republican Party and their thousands of operatives from the local to the federal level?

    Are you now ready to go head-to-head with the existing Government Party, both sides, and deliver our message of liberty and freedom, smaller government, energy resource independence, and American exceptionalism, against their socialist utopia powered by an all powerful government that makes slaves of those being governed?

    I have been urging everyone to start thinking "out of the box." Unless we "overthrow" the Government Party, and the Permanent Political Ruling Class, we are doomed. Anyone who gives one dime to the GOP, knowing that they will use your own money against you, deserves everything that befalls them.

    They have their "big donors" to power their war on us. We should have millions of small donors, pooling their dollars, to fight them. We need to use our resources (money) smarter, and unconventionally. Sarah Palin was outspent in every election by as much as 10-to-1, but she prevailed every time. Unconventional and "out of the box."

    Reform is going to have to be "sudden and relentless." And it is never going to come from "within."

    They have felt "the heat" for the past 2 years. It is now time to turn that "heat" up to a "blue flame."

    Throw them all out! The status quo must go!

    Believe none of what you hear, and only half of what you see.

    Illegitimi non carborundum.

    Barracudas Maximus.

    • socon

      I agree, but it’s going to take a huge groundswell of Americans to do it!

      Do you see any evidence this exists?

      • goldenprez

         socon … Yes, there is quite a bit of evidence.

        However, let’s examine the problem. After the gains of 2010 by grassroots conservatives nationwide, the grassroots patriot organizations made a costly miscalculation. It was assumed that, because the gains were made under the GOP banner, that the GOP would use those human resources wisely.

        It was never assumed that the GOP would try and marginalize the conservatives sent to change the direction of the country. The "war" was not out in the open in 2010, although the signs were certainly there to be read. By 2012, the handwriting was on the wall in huge block letters.

        There has been no loss of enthusiasm for saving the country by the grassroots patriot organizations. In fact, if anything, they are "madder" than ever. And now they know, for certain, that the GOP is just as much an enemy of freedom as the other Government Party.

        It is not a question of "groundswell." It is a question of "organization." Ground game, GOTV, using all the digital internet tools available, are the keys to going head-to-head, our message against theirs. Finding the right candidates, and unconventional ways to get our message to all of We The People.

        Mrs. Palin is going to have to be a major part of this in 2014. She resonates with all of We The People. This cannot, and has never been, denied. Her "retail voter skills" have always been admired, even by the establishment. That is the main reason why they fear her. She attracts voters across all Party and demographic lines.

        Will she go "rogue" in 2014? I believe she will. I think she gave many indications in 2012 that she is so inclined. In many, many interviews she went out of her way to say that she was "an independent currently attached to the Republican Party."

        In Missouri, she stated that she would support an independent run by Sarah Steelman. Unfortunately, Missouri has a "sore loser" law. But her intent was clear. She was not afraid to go that way.

        Over the coming year, there is going to be even more acrimony between grassroots conservatives and the GOP. This is going to fuel even more of a fighting mood by We The People. This move by the GOP to help their incumbents is not going to go away. The resentment is going to continue to build. And we shall reach a crescendo in November 2014.

        Again, it is going to come down to organization.

        Throw them all out! The status quo must go!

        Believe none of what you hear, and only half of what you see.

        Illegitimi non carborundum.

        Barracudas Maximus.

        • socon

          You’re preaching to the choir you know.

          We need a bonfire to effect change in this country and so far I don’t see it.

          • goldenprez

             socon … WTF???

            You asked a question, "Do you see any evidence this exists?"

            I answered your question with specifics.

            So, you don’t see it. What am I supposed to do about that? People tend to see what they want to see.

            I’m "preaching to the choir?" Who do you expect to find on this site?

            Still, I have reiterated over and over that we need to find unconventional and "out of the box" ways to get our message out to all of We The People. And that Mrs. Palin will be a great help in that regard as she appeals to all of We The People.

            I really do not understand the argumentative nature of people like you.

            Throw them all out! The status quo must go!

            Believe none of what you hear, and only half of what you see.

            Illegitimi non carborundum.

            Barracudas Maximus.

            • socon

               I don’t see a bonfire and/or a wildfire.  YMMV

              I’ll let you know when I do. 
              Until then look in the mirror when you call others argumentative.  lol

              • alien4palin

                The first giant massive "Bonfire" was ignited by Sarah Palin in 2008 for We,The People which continues to burn ever stronger every day. In the past years since her resignation, she had been rallying and encouraging We, The People to do the same by starting small Grassroots "Bonfires" throughout America.

                She needs hundreds of thousands of Sarahs to do that in their local communities. Many folks throughout the USA are already doing just that but we need thousands more to speed up all the small "Bonfire" to meet up with her Giant Massive Mother of all "Bonfire" to create a Raging Wildfire. Until such time, Sarah is highly unlikely to run for a "Title". She will only consider it if there is a calculated sure fire of winning.

                She talks, the talk and walks the walk all at the same time and hope We,The People will do the same with her.

                I understood where gp is coming from, hoping and encouraging others in here to join him to start a "Bonfire" to add to all the other existing "Bonfire" to get to where we need to go for America. He is Sarah.

                I have been coming in here since inception, like many of you here, I understood his frustration because time is marching by and America’s fate is getting worse day by day.The left bullet train/s had been gathering momentum since BO and now on the edge of the cliff. Time is not on the side of the America of our mutual vision.

                All the dedicated good folks who created C4P and man it daily plus the good folks who contribute diligently to the site have done an absolutely amazing job of providing up to date information and a wonderful forum for all Palinistas to share thoughts and frustrations on the state of affairs for America. Defending Sarah’s records & character. Debunking lies and spins. They have started their "Bonfire" since inception and keep it burning.

                With all due respect to all, there is a lack of Cohesion and Unity in here to date to start a "Bonfire" to add to the others. I knew this is what gp hope to kick start in here for the past years.

                I do have great concerns actually starting a "Bonfire" in here in a public insecure forum. This is an excellent forum for folks who shared a common vision to meet up and form a cohesive unit for Actions. The way to beat your enemies is to plan and keep everything close to your hearts.That is why Sarah has achieved so much without a "Tittle" for America.
                Forewarn is Forearm!!!

                Quoting one of Sarah’s mantra… is not about her or any one individual. It is about a single GOAL for America. If not us, then who will look out and literally fight for the best interest of America.

                The best hope for America still lies with Sarah Palin + We,The People.

                We can all agree taking all our comments into account that the Status Must Go and on that note put our doubts about the numpties to bed. We know who this people are and have their numbers. Getting mad at them is great for keeping the "Fire in the Belly" burning hot to propel us to buckle down to work to get even.

                As an alien with great respect for individual nation’s sovereignty, sadly, cannot participate actively but have profound understanding of "Self Interest" which hopefully translates for common good.

                Sarah Palin & We,The People.The Status Quo Must Go!!!

                • socon

                  Yes, Sarah started a bonfire, now it’s the people’s turn.  I believe it will be ignited by events.  We shall see.

        • alien4palin


    • dave7777

       Your points are probably well taken, but at the outset my attitude was "who in the h%ll are you?" Many of us shared your views completely. Now simmer down. Relax. Go humble. Make your point politely, not arrogantly.

      • goldenprez

         David Zimmerman … Talk about arrogant …

        Exactly who the hell are you to be giving me advice?

        What are your credentials?

        Throw them all out! The status quo must go!

        Believe none of what you hear, and only half of what you see.

        Illegitimi non carborundum.

        Barracudas Maximus.

        • alien4palin

          Peace, gp!!! I am thinking, at long last, we are going to have serious cohesive dialogues and debates in here.

          Time is not in America’s favor. Most folks in here share in common, the same vision as Sarah for America and her well-being. We should all take a deep breath and tone down the emotion instead put our energy and passion towards the Mission for America.

          • goldenprez

            alien4palin … It has long been noted by those still remaining here that I am an "aggressive" conservative.

            I always respond to replies in the manner offered. Treat me with respect, even if you disagree, and I will respond in kind.

            When someone begins their remarks with, "who the hell are you … etc.," I do not take that as an olive branch, nor a sign of respect. I will never allow anyone to spit in my eye and tell me it raining.

            As to advice to " go humble" and the mistaking of arrogance for confidence, when offered such advice by people I do not know, who do not know me, I am always reminded of Voltaire.

            When Voltaire lay upon his death bed, the Pope sent a Cardinal to say the last rites over him. As the Cardinal went through the ritual, Voltaire raised himself up and said, "What are you doing?"

            The Cardinal replied, "I have been sent by the Pope to save your soul."

            To which Voltaire asked, "Where are your credentials?"

            Throw them all out! The status quo must go!

            Believe none of what you hear, and only half of what you see.

            Illegitimi non carborundum.

            Barracudas Maximus.

            • alien4palin

              gp, I hear you!!! I agree. treat others as we wish to be treated.

              "It has long been noted by those still remaining here that I am an aggressive" conservative."

              Quote: People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

              On the same note….big thank you to all our men and women in uniform.

      • alien4palin

        I understand gp has raised your hackle and emotion. Believe me, I do.

        Sometimes, some of us who saw the writing on the wall for far too long to recall can get saturated with frustration and impatience. gp, as I have noted over the years in here has been a Thought Provoker can raise people’s hackles but is an essential ingredient in any group movement for real & productive debates that leads to real productive actions.

        I have learned a long time ago, to curb my frustration & emotion in debates of matters that are of great importance for the common good such as this. Emotion does not add but rather it distracts and overshadows that which is truly of utmost importance and at stake.

        I am tiny like Sarah Palin, until I learned to curb my emotion on important dialogue and debate, I have hurt my knuckles more than the object that I directed my frustrations.

        Peace DZ!!!

    • alien4palin

      gp, Greetings & welcome back!!! As always, excellent comment. Tell it like it is. The Truth and Nothing but the Truth. The Unvarnished Truth out of kindness can be cruel and hurtful.

      I have been on the same page forever and lost hope until Sarah Palin’s sudden appearance in 2008. You got Sarah right from the beginning and understood where she is coming from and where she is going to move America forward in the right direction.

      Americans has been led to lose their ways by the Champagne Socialists/Communists aided and abetted by their tools and the Hollowwood left of the 20th & 21st Century using their powerful media tools & voices for propaganda & indoctrination for the masses about Wants & Desires. Indoctrinated parents/adults bringing up future generations attached to the Glass Teats. Combination of systemic indoctrination in education systems resulted in generations who can’t think coherently, let alone critical thinking.

      The last time I travel back to S.E.Asia to visit family, the disease is catching on fast over there which is a great concern and profoundly sadden by it.

      The fate of America is vitally important, not just for Americans but for good and decent people around the world.

      • goldenprez

         alien4palin … I always appreciate the kind words.

        Too many people here think that this is some sort of "game." Or some sort of "debating society." They are not willing to acknowledge that the future of our very existence as either free men or slaves hangs in the balance.

        When Mrs. Palin said she would not pursue the Republican nomination for president, unlike everyone else, I was not stunned. I wrote at that time that it was a very smart move. I did, however, expect her to make an independent run. I was wrong then.

        Mrs. Palin had accurately gauged the depth of the GOP’s visceral hatred of all things conservative. She instinctively knew that 2012 was not the time to take them on. Her native intelligence told her that she would need time to build the independent movement required to unseat the Government Party. She understood that "sudden and relentless" reform was going to take groundwork, and the mass of We The People behind her.

        Inexorably, we are moving toward the circumstances that will bring about a new political ethic. I do not know what Mrs. Palin’s plans are, but I can feel the vibes of her prophesied "earthquake." I believe, whatever she does, it will be unconventional and "out of the box."

        I am simply trying to get people to start thinking the same way. Trying to "reform" a totally corrupt political party from within is not, in any way, unconventional. It is a con game, guaranteed to waste time, energy, and dissipate monetary resources.

        With one-tenth the charisma, smarts, message, and sincerity of Sarah Palin, Ross Perot came very close to carrying it off before he melted down. Mrs. Palin will not melt down. She has taken all that her enemies have to dish out, and, as Mark America has said, she still "stands."

        Keep the faith. Not only is it not over until it is over, but "we have not yet begun to fight."

        Throw them all out! The status quo must go!

        Believe none of what you hear, and only half of what you see.

        Illegitimi non carborundum.

        Barracudas Maximus.

        • alien4palin

          I agree 1000%. All the points you have made reflect precisely the Truth and Reality of the dire situation in America.

          I understood your frustration and urgency(justified) with so much at stake for America. I am in despair for America and by implication the rest of the world. If she fails to turn around and get back on the right path, we are all history.

          I have always understood whenever Sarah goes quiet, she is in retreat and reloading. If anyone can reform & restore America, she is the only one who can with mandatory active support of We, the People.

          I have great faith and trust in her ability and know how to get the monumental job done but right now the missing element for success is cohesion and unity of We,The People. I have known that forever, her decision for 2012 based on calculated wisdom. No surprise for me. I would be untruthful to say that I wasn’t momentarily disappointed. She had spent 4 long hard years rallying We,The People simultaneously holding the establishments feet to fire and darting arrows, sadly We,The People still trying to wake up and walking around in a stupor.

          We must remain optimistic and do all that is possible to spread her message. Her fight for America is about to begin.

        • CharterOakie

          gp – I agree with nearly everything you’ve written, and the old timers who have been here since early 2009 know it, as I’ve written many times that the GOP is corrupt and unlikely to be reformed.  I’ve been an independent since the mid-90s, indeed since the Perot days.

          I also agree that reform must come from the people, not one of the two entrenched parties.  And I firmly believe that Gov. Palin is the leader to galvanize the people and lead the reform.

          But I must take issue with the statement that Perot had one-tenth Palin’s abilities.  He certainly couldn’t match her charisma.  But Ross Perot was very, very smart and completely sincere.  He did however guard his confidences, he didn’t like politics per se, and he didn’t aspire to be a politician.  In the end, he wasn’t willing to have his family attacked and hurt by the nastiness of politics.  That’s where he drew the line, and that’s why he dropped out in ’92 when he probably could have won the election.  The dirty tricks squad knew his vulnerability and they attacked it.   And he was not as spiritually perceptive and strong as Sarah Palin.

          The Palin family by now is fully inoculated.  And Sarah knows how to recognize when and where the door is open, and when not.  That’s the major difference, imo.

          Excellent post above, gp.

          • BrianusBerkleianus

            Thanks, Brother, for these wonderful thoughts and words on the Governor and on Ross Perot!

            • Rightmindedmom

              I often joke with my husband, about how I voted for Ross Perot in 1992.  Maybe I wasn’t as mistaken as I thought…Maybe I was just looking for an anti-establishment candidate all along…turns out that candidate would be Sarah.

              Now my husband and 18-yr-old son joke about my T-shirts that I had made in 2011…I have a picture of Sarah on the front, and words in block letters — FIGHT LIKE A GIRL! on the back.  They keep saying "Give it up, mom.  Sarah Palin is retired from politics."   I just smile and know that God has plans for her, to lead us out of this Obama malaise.  Like Golden Prez, I just had my year wrong.

              I’m ready to serve any way I can, once she gives the word that she’s going to "FIGHT LIKE A GIRL!"
              Mom in Wisconsin

              • BrianusBerkleianus

                I love your post, Mom–it gives me a real lift!!!

                God bless!

          • goldenprez

             CharterOakie … Perhaps "a bit" of overstatement on the comparison of Mr. Perot to Mrs. Palin … lol

            There is an exceedingly important point in your "correction," and I stumbled over it in my haste to post and watch the Superbowl simultaneously.

            The point that you make about Mr. Perot’s sincerity is the "money" point. For a political "amateur" Mr. Perot had no difficulty being sincere. That is what carried hm as far as he went. I was not clear in stating that Mr. Perot was 100% sincere, and that came across to We, The People.

            I will, however, stand by one-tenth "the smarts." I meant that in a completely political sense. Mr. Perot had virtually no experience in "politics." Mrs. Palin, on the other hand, is a "tested hand." She has been through the political wars, at every level from local to national.

            If you "read" a disrespect for Mr. Perot in what I wrote, that was not intended. I was attempting to point out that Mrs. Palin has much more going for her than Mr. Perot did, and still he came extremely close to pulling it off. Which tells me that Mrs. Palin can actually accomplish the task.

            Now, let us set to the task of neutralizing the Ministry of Propaganda with unconventional ideas and concepts that will get the message of freedom and liberty to all of We, The People.

            Throw them all out! The status quo must go!

            Believe none of what you hear, and only half of what you see.

            Illegitimi non carborundum.

            Barracudas Maximus.

            • CharterOakie

              gp – yes, I mainly took the "overstatement" as a literary device and understood the point you were making by stating it that way.  And I concede that "one-tenth" might be close wrt to political acuity and experience. 
              I’ve just seen too much trashing of Perot’s reputation and motives by Republican Party operatives and sympathizers, so my tendency is to leap to defend him, for which I don’t apologize. 

              I briefly met Ross a couple times and was able to obtain a better ex post facto view into what went on in ’92 than most – not from him directly (he’s not one to cry over spilled milk), but from his right-hand political advisor.

              Ross Perot is one of the great American patriots of our time, perhaps of all time.  Certainly there has been no greater benefactor to wounded or missing members of the military and their families, and they were the backbone of the volunteer effort in ’92, people who – no exaggeration – immediately dropped what they were doing in life in order to get him on the ballot and, if it were possible, elect him POTUS.

              • alien4palin

                My partner & I rooted for him with the same hope in our hearts as we do for Sarah. He was gaining ground and not so much disappointed as profoundly sadden when he truncated his run.

                In 1992, the internet was in it’s infancy and our news coverage in the cold North was sparse. Over the years, we wondered and lamented why. We thought maybe health or some personal reasons.
                The conversation here has been most helpful to put our wondering to bed. Thank you.

              • BrianusBerkleianus

                Thank you, Charter and GP, for this discussion!!

            • alien4palin

              Good afternoon, gp. I trust my latest response to you was not view as offensive. If so… was not intended and I apologize.

              As a thought provoker myself all my life,I have offended loved ones who still haven’t forgiven me in 5 decades. Calling it like it is and Truth telling. Considered as aggressive, rude and to this day they avoided having any meaningful dialogues in any subjects.

              As a thought provoker, I tried to stimulate or give rise to a reaction or emotion, typically a strong or unwelcome one in someone.Stimulate or incite someone to do or feel something, esp. by arousing anger in them.

              The quote was meant to illustrate that by doing what is right and a necessity is considered aggressive, so be it. No one like wars except those who benefit from it. Our brave men and women do what they do because it is necessary in order for peace to prevail. Not everyone is brave or courageous to do what they have to do and endure.

              It was meant as a compliment. Each of us have a role to play in the big scheme of things in life to make a difference. I am grateful we each have our own unique DNA and diversities which make for an interesting world. My real life experience of Socialism, Communism ( or whatever labels they give themselves) & Islam is extremely drab and grey.

              • goldenprez

                 alien4palin … I did not find anything you wrote offensive.

                As I stated, as long as someone responds to me with respect, I have no problem with anything that is written.

                There are times when a statement is just that, and does not require a reply. So, if you read my silence as anything other than that, rest assured that is all it represented. You can correspond with me any time you like. I always appreciate hearing from you.

                Throw them all out! The status quo must go!

                Believe none of what you hear, and only half of what you see.

                Illegitimi non carborundum.

                Barracudas Maximus.

        • Suki Pero

          Lets get this party started!

        • lanahi

          "Too many people here think that this is some sort of "game." Or some
          sort of "debating society." They are not willing to acknowledge that the
          future of our very existence as either free men or slaves hangs in the

          I don’t find any here, besides a few trolls who come and go, that think this is some kind of "game".  We know how vitally important it is.  A few of us disagree we need a new party, but most of us have come to see that a new party is finally needed.  We’ve already TRIED to get a voice in the GOP but they will not tolerate it. The GOPe is becoming very bold about signaling a fight with conservatives, and they shall have it!  There’s no way they can win.

          Mark Twain said that some boys will kill a frog in fun, but the frog does not die in fun, the frog dies in earnest.  We know we are at that stage where freedom is dying in earnest…it’s no game.

          The same forces that took over the Democrat party are now trying to do the same with the Republican party.  They may succeed, but that does not mean that WE have to lose.

          • goldenprez

             Ianahi … A matter of perception, I suppose.

            I would not attempt to negate, nor argue, your perception.

            Near as I can tell, you have always been one who has been open to examining all solutions with a critical eye, and analyzing things on their merits.

            Throw them all out! The status quo must go!

            Believe none of what you hear, and only half of what you see.

            Illegitimi non carborundum.

            Barracudas Maximus.

        • wandrako

          Sarah needs many more of us standing up for her when the lies are flying all over the media and stupid people believe them.  Stand up for her and let them have the truth.  It will take an army.

    • lyndaaquarius

      Hillary Clinton vs Jeb Bush.  exciting.

    • Leroy Whitby

      I recall predictions from you, consistently, that Palin would run and would be the nominee goldenprez, both here and at Human Events. You were one of many that believed she was gathering momentum for the run when she had her bus going and was giving powerful speeches and producing compelling campaign videos. There’s no shame in it; I was also, but I think there’s a strong element of revisionism in saying that you predicted she couldn’t be nominated. Your general stance was different than that . . . it was that she would run and would win. Respectfully.

      We see the power and destructive force of ego and unrestrained desire for money and power from a man like Rove . . . who is willing to harm his party and his country rather than work with conservatives . . . EVEN when the compromise and sharing of power would give a better chance of victory.

      • goldenprez

        Leroy … If that is how you remember it, then that is how you remember it.

        I do not have the time, nor the inclination, to go back through my 1,407 comments to determine if I am a "revisionist" with 20-20 hindsight.

        I suppose there was a time when I thought that the O4P organization could have had a good enough "ground game" to secure the Republican nomination for Mrs. Palin.

        However, I remember being disabused of that possibility early on.

        I suppose we remember what we want to remember.

        Throw them all out! The status quo must go!

        Believe none of what you hear, and only half of what you see.

        Illegitimi non carborundum.

        Barracudas Maximus.

        • Leroy Whitby

          No prob. Political prognostication is very difficult. How much influence does cheating play? Soros vote counting? Randomness of personal decisions, unexpected economic or international events, unexpected and stupid blunders, the machinations, waste, abuse and self-enrichment of a man like Rove, computer whiz kids, computer screw ups, etc., etc., etc.

          The thing that cuts through all the bull and the "noise" is the candidate speaking to the people. Connection, character, charisma, courage.

    • wandrako

      Jeb is not going to be the candidate as much as he wants it.  He is not a conservative.

  • devitor

    RINOPAC says it all. 

  • c4pfan

    I want to know who is stupid enough to donate their money to this PAC!

    • senator20526

       Who ever it is….they deserve to lose just for being stupid

  • M_Minnesota


    What Would Andrew Breitbart Do?

    • Pete Petretich

      Bumper sticker? Twitter bio?

  • WEL2

    And I’ll bet the “biggest donors in the Republican Party” supporting Rove are crony capitalists that Sarah Palin has declared war on.

  • Pete Petretich

    Rove’s a loser! How many ways are there to say that?

  • gwspfan

    This PAC would never have supported Ted Cruz

  • Elwanda Burrell

    We need a conservative party…..ASAP!!!

  • James A. Tyler

    Game on

  • $7566967

    This is exactly why I re-registered as an independent.  To Hell with the GOP.  It’s the diet Coke version of the Democratic Party.

    Besides, without the TP, there would be no GOP. Rove and Crybaby Boehner are preoccupied with beating up conservatives because it’s a helluva lot easier to do that than it is to fight Obama.

  • alien4palin

    In a previous thread comment, IMHO, there are only 2 options…..Usurp and reform the Republican back to it’s founding principles. The alternative is 3rd Party….let it go the way of their predecessor, the Whig of the 19th century. Let the Eagle (Phoenix) rises from the ashes.

    The last 3 election cycles (2008, 2010 & 2012) were stark indications of the fractured of the voters base.This discontent and disenfranchisement had existed at the very least since President Reagan.
    Past 8 years of election cycles had been 3 parties races.The Republican Party establishment verses   Sarah Palin & their voters base and allowed the Democrat Party to run unfettered, especially true of the presidential races. They are more concerned about controlling their voters base by telling them to sit down, shut up and do as you are told.

    Continuous vicious attacks & lies on Sarah Palin’s exemplary character and records is a battle to ensure their very own survival and relevance. Hence, the Mantra to the choir….she is irrelevant and history.

    Quoting Joseph Goebbels:“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State"

  • heshtesh

    Karl Rove: Must protect the "PIGS" at the trough.

  • Jon Kelly

    WAKE UP!!!!!! This is not the time for retreat. IT’S TIME TO RELOAD. Rove and his pundit class are fighting for their political lives. Remember most of the money people didn’t get rich by being stupid or by following a "JUDAS GOAT" LIKE ROVE. The only people who profit by this new PAC are Rove and his ilk. REMEMBER we are not dumb and we already have a leader – GOVERNOR PALIN. These "Eastern Conservatives" want us to react by impulse and fragment. "FORGET ABOUT IT’-Rove you’re no longer a leader – SO GET OF THE WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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