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Pakistan Military Assisted in Raid on Osama Bin Laden • Seymour Hersh

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May 12th, 2015 • iizthatiiz

A very combative Chris Cuomo (CNN) repeatedly attempts to disparage investigative reporter Seymour Hersh’s assertion that Barack Obama lied about the circumstances surrounding of the death of Osama Bin Laden.

The explosive report from Hersh alleges that Pakistani military officials willingly assisted in the raid on the Bin Laden compound, and that President Barack Obama lied about the true nature of the event.

Read Hersh’s full 10,00 word report in the London Review Of Books: HERE

 



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  • speppers69

    Rob O’Neill called the report ludicrous. I’ll take his word over anyone else’s.
    http://video.foxnews.com/v/4230181834001/rob-oneill-new-report-on-bin-laden-raid-is-ludicrous/?#sp=show-clips

    • http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJBG9zqKlqSMeoGWk8Sabog iizthatiiz

      Not to be contrary … but how would O’Neill know? He was just a soldier, highly doubtful that he was privy to the actual intelligence.

      • speppers69

        He discussed that in the interview. They knew quite a bit about the intel as they were training for the mission. It was reported that the Pakistani’s were in the chopper and on the ground at the compound. That was false.

        • http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJBG9zqKlqSMeoGWk8Sabog iizthatiiz

          I dunno .. any intel the Seals received during training was second hand hearsay at best. They were told only what someone wanted them to be told. Heck, the Seals didn’t even know who the target was until just prior to the mission occurred.

          • Laddie_Blah_Blah

            "They were told only what someone wanted them to be told."

            Right. If the administration wanted to protect Pak resources from being implicated in the raid, they would not tell anyone, and would persist in denying it, to this day, if they wanted Pak cooperation in future missions. Any Pak involvement, if they were involved, would be classified.

        • Laddie_Blah_Blah

          Rob was at the tip of the spear. There was no way for him to know whose hand was on the spear shaft directing its aim. I doubt if the CIA operative who ran the Bin Laden raid knew, either.

          And the CIA cannot be trusted to tell the truth about any of it, since the most sensitive information about the raid would still be classified, so they could not legally divulge it, in any case, without subjecting themselves to criminal prosecution and prison time.

  • Section 9

    There is enough right with the article to give it the ring of Truth. For example, Bin Laden had deep and abiding connections to Pakistan’s Interservices Intelligence (ISI) going back to the Afghan War of Liberation against the Soviets.

    I have no doubt in my mind that not only did we tip off the Pakistanis that we were coming, but they gave Osama up to us once we tipped them off that the jig was up and his usefulness to them was at an end. The only question was the amount of the bribe we had to pay senior Pakistani officials not to tip off Bin Laden and to secure their cooperation going forward.

    Like a broken clock, Hersh is right twice a day.

    • cbenoistd

      In Hersh’s case, that might be twice every decade. Consider the last paragraph in his piece, where he praises Obama for empowering Iran and ignoring congressional checks and balances. Funny how David Remnick, who would have had dibs on the piece at The New Yorker, did not run Hersh’s article.

      • http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJBG9zqKlqSMeoGWk8Sabog iizthatiiz

        Oh, The New Yorker would never give Obama cover. Wouldn’t, couldn’t happen! /sarc

  • Keith M

    When are people going realize that was not Osama Bin Laden. That is why they buried him at sea so quickly. No DNA was done, That was a look a like!

  • Laddie_Blah_Blah

    What we are told about intelligence operations is what they want to tell us. You are not going to get the whole truth about any intel operation.

    Hersh is hearing one thing, from an unidentified source, and we have heard other things from the Obama administration, the CIA and Rob O’Neill, et. al. There are almost certainly parts of the whole truth from all of those sources, but the whole truth will not be known until we see the archives if the Pakistani ISIS.

    Ain’t gonna happen.

    • Keith M

      There is no record of DNA for Osama Bin Laden death, This administration wants you believe that the seals shot him but there is no proof. The body they buried at sea was not Bin Laden but a look a like.

      • Laddie_Blah_Blah

        "This administration wants you believe that the seals shot him but there is no proof."

        There is no DNA proof, but there is eye witness testimony from multiple Navy Seals that they shot the man who was later identified by the CIA operative running the Bin Laden operation that the deceased body was Bin Laden’s. That is pretty convincing evidence, and would be so in any court of law in this country.

        • Keith M

          Was it Osama Bin Laden they shot or a look a like? They will not release the DNA that they said they did. Do we know they that the body they buried at sea was Osama Bin Laden. Until they show proof, I don’t believe they shot him.

          • Laddie_Blah_Blah

            Then you are saying that the Seals and the CIA operative, who ran the mission, are liars.

            I don’t believe that, but there are always reasons for skepticism. Even if they had Bin Laden’s DNA, and said that it showed that the corpse was Bin Laden’s, how would you know they were telling the truth? Any evidence they do have is under their control, and its validity can be trusted only so far as you trust them.

            I doubt you would accept their word, even if they had DNA evidence. I give more credit to the grunts in the trenches than I do to the information gatekeepers in the administration.

            • Keith M

              If they had DNA that be proof. That would be physical evidence. The DNA was never released under the freedom of information act.

        • Keith M

          Also, there was no shoot out. Why didn’t the Seals try to take him alive? Bring him to justices?

          • Laddie_Blah_Blah

            McNeill has explained that. You either believe him, or not.

            • Keith M

              The bottom line is we have no proof that was Osama bin Laden that the Seals shot. Until they can show physical evidence there is no proof. Of course that is just my opinion. The Seals were just following orders, but again there is no proof that was Osama bin Laden.

            • Keith M

              We can go back and forth on this subject but until I see physical evidence I do not belief the Seals shot was Osama bin Laden.

  • John_Frank

    People may report that Sy Hersch broke the My Lai story, among others.

    When he broke that story, people vilified him, but it turned out that his reporting was largely correct.

    As to his present report, why would people be inclined to believe Mr. Obama, given all the other lies that he has told?

    I believe that Mr. Hersch’s report concerning the death of Bin Laden is largely accurate.

    Thank you iizthatiiz for bringing the interview to people’s attention and highlighting Mr. Hersch’s report.

    • Laddie_Blah_Blah

      Hersch has a lot of credibility with me, too, but his source remains anonymous, like the sources for "Game Change" have remained anonymous all these years. No way for us to evaluate anonymous sources.

      Nevertheless, one factor that is unanimously agreed upon is that Obama took his time before authorizing that raid, repeatedly asking for harder confirmation from the CIA that the individual recorded on video walking around the roof of the Abbotobad compound was, in fact, Bin Laden.

      Maybe that time was actually spent coordinating the roles that ISI and the Pak military would play during the raid. ISI was not the only player in Pakistan which had to be on board (IF they were on board) – the military and the Pak political interests would have to concur on a coordinated plan of action (IF there actually was a coordinated plan of action).

      The administration spokespersons on that raid cannot be credited, in any event, with the benefit of doubt. They lost all credibility long ago, including the intel people mentioned in NBC’s report. Why anyone would accept as the complete truth anything coming from an intel source is beyond me.

      The purpose of public statements from them is for the express purpose of disinforming the public, and the enemy. I could give example after example that everyone here is already familiar with, e.g. Gen. Petraeus testifying to Congress that a video caused the attack on the Benghazi compound, when he had the full story of what actually happened in Benghazi from his own Chief of Station in Libya.

      • John_Frank
        • Laddie_Blah_Blah

          Interesting John. Hersch will keep digging, and has already prompted others in the press to take a harder look.

          Could the story of the CIA’s painstaking search for Bin Laden’s courier have been an ex-post facto cover story to protect ISI and other PAK assets from exposure in Pakistan? Of course, but I don’t think either of us will live long enough to know, for sure.

          I had never even heard of Operation Keelhaul until just last year. And that operation was ordered by FDR and Truman, was carried out by Ike, and resulted in the deaths of at least 2 mn innocent people solely because they were the enemies of Joe Stalin. That was a US operation, and virtually all of the US government documents pertaining to it remain classified to this day.

          The Venona decrypts were not declassified until 1995, and only then did we learn that Truman knew that Alger Hiss was a spy as early as 1945. Note that the US complicity in Operation Keelhaul remains classified 70 years after the fact, while the Venona secrets remained classified for only 50 years after the fact.

          It may be 100 years before the Bin Laden operation is declassified, as it appears that it will be at least that long before Keelhaul is declassified, if ever. Classification is used more strictly to save US officials from embarrassment and exposure than it is to protect foreign treachery and deceit from public knowledge.

          Accept nothing they say at face value.

          • John_Frank

            Ah …. you will want to go back and read Mr. Hersch’s report.

            The implications are clear.

            Nixon lied and tried to cover it up. He was impeached. Clinton lied and tried to cover up. He was impeached. Obama has lied repeatedly. With the lies he told about the killing of Bin Laden, a new cover story had to be concocted on the fly.

            While helping to re-elect the President, the new cover story put a deep freeze on inter-agency co-operation with the Pakistan, at a crucial time in the fight against Islamic jihad and as the US military was endeavoring to quash the Taliban in Afghanistan..

            While Hersch attempts to soften the blow, by (wrongly in the view of many) applauding (Obama for his principled stand over the negotiations with Iran, (while castigating Clinton for falling to stop Pakistan from acquiring nuclear weapons) the implication from his story is clear.

            Obama committed high crimes and misdemeanors in the killing of Bin Laden.

            Obama lied about how the WH came to know about Bin Laden’s whereabouts. Obama lied about how Bin Laden was killed. He then had to cover his lies, which so upset officials in Pakistan that our counter-terrorism operations in that area were placed in jeopardy and our efforts to defeat the Taliban in Afghanistan were impaired.

            A stretch? Maybe, but the lies told concerning the killing of Bin Laden, the subsequent cover up and the resulting fall out is just one more reason why Congress should be proceeding with articles of impeachment and a trial.

            You will also read the actual New York Times piece by Carlotta Gall and the material she links to in her article..

            • Laddie_Blah_Blah

              I’ve read all of that, John, but lying about intel operations is standard procedure. They all do it. If you were going to impeach every POTUS who lied about such operations none of them would survive his/her term in office.

              What about the lies of JFK and the Bay of Pigs? Ike’s lies about the U-2 spy missions over Russia? It was Seymour Hersch who exposed JFK’s liaison with KGB operative Ellen Rometsch, and hardly anyone in the USA even knows that it occurred, and no one knows what, if anything, JFK compromised during that relationship. Extensive NSA spying has been going on since at least the early 1980s, long before the Islamic war on the west was so much as mentioned in the press.

              You could probably compile your own list. What really bugs me about Obama’s revelations immediately after the Bin Laden raid is his loss of security discipline, identifying Seal Team 6 as the unit which carried out the raid, thereby endangering the lives of all of those men and their families, too.

              I don’t care if he is lying about the other stuff, at all. As I chronicled to you earlier, far worse has been done, and covered up (deep Soviet penetration of the FDR-HST administration, the culpability of FDR, HST and DDE in the slaughter of 2mn innocents in Operation Keelhaul), by the highest officials in our government.

              Even without the Bin Laden raid, Congress has ample cause to impeach and remove Obama (failure to execute the laws faithfully, illegally substituting regulatory fiat for the rule of law, repeatedly lying to the American people about the nature and effect of Obamacare, etc., etc., etc.), but they won’t do it. Such articles would not include anything about the Bin Laden raid, in any case, because of the national security implications, which no one in Congress in his right mind wants to touch with a ten foot pole.

  • qtdb7

    SEAL Who Allegedly Shot bin Laden: Hersh’s Article Is ‘Garbage’
    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/seal-who-allegedly-shot-bin-laden-hershs-article-is-garbage/
    by Evan McMurry | 10:20 am, May 12th, 2015

  • John_Frank

    I Am Not Backing Off Anything I Said”
    An interview with Seymour Hersh.

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